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Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by Joeboy »

arbitrage wrote: post #42
ljd wrote: post #7

It's interesting to see a country dismantle internet access site by site. It challenges our notions of what we think will always be there. If your site has a dependency on YouTube, your site isn't going to be functioning in Turkey. It's like Netflix's Chaos Monkey [0], but in real life. [0] http://techblog.netflix.com/2012/07/chaos-monkey-released-in...

It was interesting when we saw governments attempt it last time, too. And then they stopped, because they were overthrown. I wonder if this is going to be a law, now ... a government that attempts to dismantle the internet a piece at a time in their country is going to fail.

This reminds me of the "information wants to be free" and "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" slogans of yesteryear. The internet isn't magic. There is no natural law that means it will always emerge victorious.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by higherpurpose »

gkhnarik wrote: post #11
_pgpz wrote: post #3

After Twitter, this was expected. Just couple of hours ago, leaked audio recordings were uploaded to Youtube which show "Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, National Intelligence Organization (MİT) Undersecretary Hakan Fidan, Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu and Deputy Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Güler are heard discussing possible intervention into Syria and possible reactions from the world"…

I disagree with your last sentence. Because of the problem in Syria our borders are not secure and Turkey is trying to solve this problem diplomatically for a year. Recently ISID threatened Turkey to attack Sulaiman Sah and after that government started to think about a military attack to that area. You can't just say "they want to attack Syria to strength Erdogan's position."

This implies that they do:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/21i3u1/turkish_forei...

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by logfromblammo »

stephengillie wrote: post #10

At least we have a Redundant Array of Independent Social Networks to help us route around this intentional damage.

All we need now is a Border Rules Agnostic Network, and the RAISN BRAN will be part of this healthy information breakfast.

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Post by camus2 »

pearjuice wrote: post #24

All my support goes to the Turkish government for trying to abrupt the Western propaganda and disrupting the influences of American secret national agencies. It is no secret that the protests and revolutions in Syria, Egypt, Tunis and the like were caused by internal fabrications from American soil so they could use the uproar for settling marionettes and proper satellite states instead of having to deal with nations…

Please, USA already supports the turkish governement...

Ff it was not the case you would be hearing Obama say How bad Turkey is regarding "human rights and democracy".

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by cinquemb »

yread wrote: post #30
_pgpz wrote: post #3

After Twitter, this was expected. Just couple of hours ago, leaked audio recordings were uploaded to Youtube which show "Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, National Intelligence Organization (MİT) Undersecretary Hakan Fidan, Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu and Deputy Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Güler are heard discussing possible intervention into Syria and possible reactions from the world"…

Maybe they already started following the plan: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/turkey-shoots-d...

Makes you wonder, if everything had gone to the original plan in syria already, nat gas pipelines would be headed to europe by now and the IMF wouldn't bother with the gazprom bill to russia…

Also interesting how there has been very little action about the blackouts from the State Dept talking heads (beyond the toothless shaming), if this had been a country not doing the bidding of tptb we would probably hear of sanctions against turkish corps in the us.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Joeboy wrote: post #51
arbitrage wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was interesting when we saw governments attempt it last time, too. And then they stopped, because they were overthrown. I wonder if this is going to be a law, now ... a government that attempts to dismantle the internet a piece at a time in their country is going to fail.

This reminds me of the "information wants to be free" and "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" slogans of yesteryear. The internet isn't magic. There is no natural law that means it will always emerge victorious.

Well, it does "route around damage", but there's a difference between an infrastructure damage (be it a denial of service, or a tactical nuclear strike) and a continuous, intentional action of a sentient adversary.

Unfortunately, conflating those two concepts is a common mistake when designing or thinking about systems.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by _nato_ »

icebraining wrote: post #54
_nato_ wrote: post #32

Q: do embedded videos on other domains (such as fixyt.com) get blocked, too? How does that work?

The embedded videos are still fetched by the browser from YouTube domains, so a DNS block should affect them as well.

Thanks. `Makes sense.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by InclinedPlane »

DickingAround wrote: post #14

Blocking social media sites and expecting it to reduce tension is like turning off TV & radio broadcasting and expecting people to remain in their homes; it's a failure to understand modern systems of control. Orwell doesn't work at all. Huxley is your only hope Turkey :P

Orwell does work, North Korea and Cuba are examples of that. But you can't create an Orwellian police state over night, and those sorts of oppressive regimes tend to be unstable (Libya, East Germany, Romania, etc. all gone now).

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by declan »

cryoshon wrote: post #12
_pgpz wrote: post #3

After Twitter, this was expected. Just couple of hours ago, leaked audio recordings were uploaded to Youtube which show "Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, National Intelligence Organization (MİT) Undersecretary Hakan Fidan, Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu and Deputy Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Güler are heard discussing possible intervention into Syria and possible reactions from the world"…

It's pretty ghastly that people are willing to fabricate rationale for getting into war. I really hope that the Turks dispose of their leaders expediently and forcefully.

Ah, yes. In the U.S. we had Operation Northwoods, where not one of those psychopathic "leaders" who concocted it was disposed of, either expediently or forcefully:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods DoD proposal that "called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in US cities and elsewhere... public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts..."

Also see "Gulf of Tonkin incident." Any others?

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