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Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

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Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

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I wonder how viable doing this openly would be as a free-to-play business model? Being upfront with the user: "we're not going to show you any ads and you won't have to pay anything for extra content, but we'll be using a tiny proportion of your CPU time to mine cryptocurrency to pay for the development costs of this app."

It was done secretly in the recent past, and apparently while it lasted (weeks, i think?) it brought in something like $6k. It helps that most gamers have fairly powerful graphics cards. If you mapped bitcoins mined to microtransaction currency (for in-game rewards) most players would love it.

Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but this was done last year in secret by ESEA, a US gaming league (primarily Counter-Strike) [1].

They claim the value was almost USD$4,000 over about two weeks, although we don't really know how many users were affected and for how long. This doesn't seem like an extraordinary amount, though, especially if we're talking about using mobile phones instead of high-end gaming PCs.

[1] http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/01/esea-accidentally-release-...

Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

#42
Careful.. The New Jersey DA is trying to go after an MIT student for simply exploring the freemium mining concept at a hackathon. He got MIT and the EFF to back him, but there are probably others looking to make an example out of someone.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/12/new-jersey-slaps-mit-bitco...

Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

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post #10

These schemes mostly just convert electricity to cryptocurrency. The electricity is almost always more expensive than the value, but the app authors aren't paying the bill. If you're plugging in your 5W charger for less than half the day, the limit is maybe $2/year/user, assuming you can get away with it for a year...

$2 is way too high. I would say a cent per week tops.

Let's say 5W for 8 hours per day, that's 14 kWh per year.

Last year I paid 17.51 eurocents per kWh, so it would be EUR 2.45 per year for me ($3.37 per year).

Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

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post #19

I've been working on an idea similar to this for a few months. Instead of limiting this to crypto currency mining (a fair application, FWIW), why not approach this with the idea that people plugging in their phones every night could easily constitute the largest distributed supercomputer ever built? Everyone has the same nightly ritual: Wake up, use phone/tablet/device, plug in at night. Once it's plugged in, your ph…

Why not link it to the World Community Grid?

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/

(although they mention smartphones already)

Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you have orders of magnitude more of them. Slaved mobile devices are orders of magnitude cheaper, too!

>But you have orders of magnitude more of them. Not according to this: http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/M...

Yes, but very few PC owners will download & run songs.exe executable to listen to several songs available at youtube.

Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

#49

This is pretty hilarious. Given how small the load can be to automatically contribute hashes to a pool for ___coin, I expect more of these in the future, but smarter. Runs for 5 seconds per minute on ten million devices for six months? That's no joke with some of the hardware out there. It's this close to a victimless crime (that is, unless the victim gets their CPU/GPU fried, as has happened with these nets before).…

It's the disdain for the user. Take their data, use their CPUs, whatever. Users are dumb, they won't notice, and hey, the app's free anyway. Back in the day, the software on my "Personal Computer" was my friend. It was all wonderful things to have and to learn about. Looking at my smartphone that's right here on my table, it's shiny, but I've long felt a distinct lack of control over the thing. And now this: Hello -…

"Personal Computers" have had viruses and malware for decades. They are most assuredly not full of "all wonderful things".

Re: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency

#50

This is pretty hilarious. Given how small the load can be to automatically contribute hashes to a pool for ___coin, I expect more of these in the future, but smarter. Runs for 5 seconds per minute on ten million devices for six months? That's no joke with some of the hardware out there. It's this close to a victimless crime (that is, unless the victim gets their CPU/GPU fried, as has happened with these nets before).…

It's the disdain for the user. Take their data, use their CPUs, whatever. Users are dumb, they won't notice, and hey, the app's free anyway. Back in the day, the software on my "Personal Computer" was my friend. It was all wonderful things to have and to learn about. Looking at my smartphone that's right here on my table, it's shiny, but I've long felt a distinct lack of control over the thing. And now this: Hello -…

"Users are dumb, they won't notice, and hey, the app's free anyway."

Maybe we've stumbled on a great alternative to the freemium model?

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