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North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

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Re: North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

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Honest question - let's say at some point in the future North Korea sees their current regime fall and a more democratic or at least benevolent dictatorship takes over. What sort of mass psychological issues are we looking at here? I can only imagine how the minds of the current citizenship work, would it be nearly impossible for those raised only knowing what they know to recover from the previous trauma?

The only state that I can think of that is remotely comparable to North Korea is pre-1992 Albania [1] - isolated and repressive, with a kind of leader-worship cult going on. After that all fell apart in the mid-nineties things didn't work out too well economically and socially, though I'm not sure that was due to mass psychological problems in the population. Survivors of cults such as Scientology that encourage isol…

I'd say you're right that it is quite unlike all we have seen before, however, there are more precedents (although you picked an excellent one with Albania).

One example comes to mind is post-defeat Germany in 1945. This is particularly interesting because here we have the total, absolute and undebatable annihilation of an entire worldview. North Korea will very likely also experience this "everything you ever believed is wrong" moment, so some parallels might apply. The Germans mostly kept their heads down and tried to ingore the past for a few decades. This might not be possible for the North Koreans, however, as they are not surrounded by rubble but by prosperity.

Another example would be the core-to-periphery of the Soviet Union when that collapsed. Around here there are many former inhabitants of the SU and they tell stories of chaos and desorientation with many people using their newly-recieved freedom to cheat others or be cheated. I think the Albanians experienced something similar with a snowball-scam of national proportions. It would be unfortunate if the economic reality of "the little man" in democratic post-North Korea were similar to this, since these things usually trigger a backlash.

Re: North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

#52
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In multi-cultural countries people have significantly different hair. In North Korea hair is somewhat harmonised, i.e. black and straight. Length is the only variable available to play with when it comes to style of cut. From their perspective this edict may be no more of a big deal than having to have your fingernails trimmed.

You lack imagination about all the different things that can be done with uniformly black, straight, fine hair. Length is not the only variable, and there is still a huge range of hairstyles that people could choose from if they were free to do so. Also, if I was subject to an edict requiring me to trim my fingernails, that would be a pretty big deal to me. A big, intolerable deal. You imply that from their perspecti…

I am a troll with short, black hair! And cynical too!

Re: North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only state that I can think of that is remotely comparable to North Korea is pre-1992 Albania [1] - isolated and repressive, with a kind of leader-worship cult going on. After that all fell apart in the mid-nineties things didn't work out too well economically and socially, though I'm not sure that was due to mass psychological problems in the population. Survivors of cults such as Scientology that encourage isol…

I'd say you're right that it is quite unlike all we have seen before, however, there are more precedents (although you picked an excellent one with Albania). One example comes to mind is post-defeat Germany in 1945. This is particularly interesting because here we have the total, absolute and undebatable annihilation of an entire worldview. North Korea will very likely also experience this "everything you ever believ…

Nazism didn't last long enough. With North Korea, we're talking about a system that lasted for multiple generations.

Re: North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say you're right that it is quite unlike all we have seen before, however, there are more precedents (although you picked an excellent one with Albania). One example comes to mind is post-defeat Germany in 1945. This is particularly interesting because here we have the total, absolute and undebatable annihilation of an entire worldview. North Korea will very likely also experience this "everything you ever believ…

Nazism didn't last long enough. With North Korea, we're talking about a system that lasted for multiple generations.

I'd say it lasted just long enough. 1933-45 was enough time for a generation of schoolchildren to have grown up knowing nothing else.

Also, you must remember that living in the Weimar Republic was pure hardship for many people. So there's a large part of the populace for whom "the movement" was the first time they had been on track for a better future. (Sounds horrible from our perspective, but remember that we have the benefit of hindsight.)

Re: North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

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I think the point is that it doesn't matter what is going on in 'their' minds. All that matters is what is going on in the mind of one particular person.

Do you honestly believe a single person can produce that much insanity?

In a round about way, I think so. Did he suggest this? Perhaps not. Is he responsible for the environment that created this decision? I think so.

Re: North Korea: Men required to get Kim Jong-un haircuts

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post #56

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Do you honestly believe a single person can produce that much insanity?

In a round about way, I think so. Did he suggest this? Perhaps not. Is he responsible for the environment that created this decision? I think so.

I think that he is as much of a hostage as he is a perpetrator.
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