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Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

The trust issues go beyond what you mentioned. I have seen met people who's Google accounts have been summarily suspended without recourse for reasons unknown. No, these were not scammers trying to game the system. In all cases it was newcomers to the AdSense world who put up sites with Google ads. A few days later they got hit with full suspensions, no recourse, no customer service of any kind. These are honest people with honest brick-and-mortar businesses who definitely have not time to go on an ad clicking spree or anything like that.

The fact that Google does business as one might imagine an immature 13 year old might is troubling enough that I avoid them like the plague. The only service I use is analytics. Everything else is as though it didn't exist, docs, gmail, cloud services, etc. I don't trust them and I make it very clear to clients and associates that they should steer clear.

As you say, what I do like about Google announcing price cuts is that they are usually followed by AWS making adjustments.

If Google start behaving as adult responsible business people they have a shot at earning my and others' business. Until then I view them as teenagers more interested in popping zits in front of a mirror than adults conducting business in an environment of mutual respect.

Trust is one of those things that takes a thousand times more effort to earn back than it does to nurture and to keep.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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This is very much our view. Google products are fine for home and non-critical use, but it's far too risky to rely on them when building something that one expects to have a long lifespan. Unless there's clear money in it for Google's advertising revenue, the chance of it being pulled is too high.

Has Google ever pulled a paid product?

Are you aware of the Google Maps API debacle that (I would argue) single-handedly propelled OpenStreetMaps to the online mapping world forefront?

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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No need to go out of your way to provide rationales, this person is most likely misrepresenting himself. Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't. I mean even at face value his logic is unsound: all mobile services are cloud supported, there is no conflict between being mostly about mobile and providing developers with a backend on which to build their wares, which in any case are also increasingly mobil…

> Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't. I don't mean to sound crass, but if Google employees are so smart why is Google so collectively bad at doing anything right for an end user experience? Adwords does awesome, Google X has a mind of its own, but the rest of Google? The only thing somewhat decent that comes to mind is Calendar, Gmail, and the latest versions of Android. Mind you, I'm a huge Google…

So the only somewhat decent things that come to mind are some of Google's biggest consumer-facing products?

Also, user experience is not the be all and end all. Profitability on the other hand...

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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> Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't. I don't mean to sound crass, but if Google employees are so smart why is Google so collectively bad at doing anything right for an end user experience? Adwords does awesome, Google X has a mind of its own, but the rest of Google? The only thing somewhat decent that comes to mind is Calendar, Gmail, and the latest versions of Android. Mind you, I'm a huge Google…

So the only somewhat decent things that come to mind are some of Google's biggest consumer-facing products? Also, user experience is not the be all and end all. Profitability on the other hand...

Google makes substantial revenue from Calendar, Gmail, and Android?

Yes, yes, I know. Adwords. They better hope licensing for self-driving cars takes off.

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Really appreciate the open source software, but I recently had some trust issues with Joyent the service. Cloud servers switched from tiered transfer rates (with a generous free tier) to on-demand pricing, with only a month of notice. It wasn't possible to monitor one's own bandwidth usage before the switch, so we were caught off guard by our bill jumping by nearly 30%. It would have been more trustworthy to grandfat…

I hear you -- and trust me, this kind of stuff is awful because even when you're actually trying hard to not screw anyone, you still accidentally screw someone. In terms of this in particular: we did really try to roll this out without abrupt notice or unpleasant surprises, so I'm sorry to hear that we missed the mark with you. If it was more than just annoyance, feel free to reach out to me directly (my first name -…

Thanks for the gracious reply! I'm sure that you and everyone working with you at Joyent is a fantastic individual.

And yeah, just illustrating how even the best-laid plans of the best of us can't always work out great for all customers.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

Anyone remember how Google toyed with the pricing on its Maps API? In October 2011, Google upped its Maps API pricing to $4+ for 1,000 map loads [1]. Developers rebelled and switched over to OpenStreet Map [2]. Eight months later, Google dropped the price to $0.50 for 1,000 map loads [3]. [1] http://googlegeodevelopers.blogspot.com/2011/10/introduction... [2] http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/09/google-maps-api-vs-openst…

How is that a yo-yo? It went from free to Pricing level #1, which dropped to Pricing level #2. No one was ever charged at Pricing level 1.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

> they should pull across a marquis commercial AWS IaaS customer [...] a marquis AWS IaaS customer [...] how about just a marquis* Google customer

I don't understand this, or at least cannot re-parse 'marquis' into something relevant. Can you explain?

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Google is about 2 years too late. Many startups switched to AWS in droves and never looked back. The failure is that Google would have to give away GAE, GCE and friends in order for folks to switch because the work to change stack tooling would be very costly.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

This announcement make me even trust Google less. First GAE was one price. We attended Google I/O session and learned about the virtues of fully using BigTable, so we wrote our application to be tightly integrated into GAE (stupid mistake). Then GAE got a 10X (1000% percent) price increase. Effectively removing the service if you based your business on the initial pricing structure. Now, google is talking about Moore…

Plus switching stacks would be risky and costly. Google would have to give away an enormous amount of credits for shops to consider it.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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This announcement make me even trust Google less. First GAE was one price. We attended Google I/O session and learned about the virtues of fully using BigTable, so we wrote our application to be tightly integrated into GAE (stupid mistake). Then GAE got a 10X (1000% percent) price increase. Effectively removing the service if you based your business on the initial pricing structure. Now, google is talking about Moore…

I was such a big early fan of GAE, but I do remember so many people feeling burned by the pricing change and the terrible customer service. SSL was for me an important missing feature and I got a friend to walk up to one of the GAE guys at SXSW to ask him directly about SSL or SNI, but according to him it wasn't even on their public roadmap in March 2010. I see that Google product guy has long since moved on to Dropb…

Another example of Google building whatever they want today instead of building what customers need right now. Same thing happens on Googles other product lines, so it's no shock.
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