Pre-ordering hardware that makes promises of substantial improvements over the status-quo that will only be testable by the buyer a few years down the line is a recipe for disaster. Do yourself a favour and hold on to your money until there are actual units that have been tested rigorously (as in, in an independent lab unaffiliated with the company) to see if the promises are delivered on.
Gbatteries (YC W14) Launches BatteryBox, A 50Whr Backup Battery For MacBooks
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Re: Gbatteries (YC W14) Launches BatteryBox, A 50Whr Backup Battery For MacBooks
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
DRM voodoo is in the charger, it speaks 1-Wire telling computer its make model and power. Most likely can also be controlled over 1-Wire.
The magsafe connector talks 1-wire, not the charger itself. It provides serial number and version info but no DRM/crypto. The Mac also uses the 1-wire to control the LEDs on the connector. See my teardown for the details: http://www.righto.com/2013/06/teardown-and-exploration-of-ma...
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The power adapter needs to be able to handle 100% Actually it can't; there used to be a support article on Apple's site named HT2332 that details how Macbooks will underclock with the battery removed, because the adapter cannot supply enough power with the system at full load. Other manufacturer's laptops have also been doing this, so Apple is not alone.
That's true, I'm able to drain my MacBook's battery while plugged in if I stress it enough. It's pretty close, though! I don't suppose you have any idea exactly how they arrive at the power adapter size for these things? It seems to be almost but not quite 100%, but they still try to optimize it where they ship 45W, 65W, or 85W depending on what computer you have.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is straight up not possible. Lithium-ion batteries degrade irreversibly as they're used - the only way to reduce capacity loss is to reduce the depth-of-discharge: add more cells, and discharge them less per cycle. Unless they're fiddling with the actual chemistry of the cells, it's unlikely they've changed anything.
That reminds me, I stumbled upon some very interesting discussion here while doing some research on lion characteristics a few weeks ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lithium-ion_battery/Archiv... But real batteries are obviously unaware of these sources because there are numerous examples in the wild that have been regularly fully discharged (to 2.8 to 3.0 volts), stored at around 20 °C and kept fully charged i…
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Actually no, if this worked it would be a 30-minute meeting. Our patented technology extends the charge-cycle life of standard lithium-ion batteries by at least 200%, and we can prove it. Great, we will license that. Here's a check for five billion dollars.
A conversation like that means there are other options: Our patented technology extends the charge-cycle life of standard lithium-ion batteries by at least 200%, and we can prove it. Great, we will invest, get a product to market and you can IPO in 2 years. It's why saying "yes" to an acquisition is so hard. There are always other options.
We need to patent our technology before we can talk to to anyone, otherwise they can steal our tech.
Great, let me check our startup bank account. We have... uh... $3000.
What? Filling a patent in the US and EU cost $5000 each including agent fees. Even if I use all my personal savings, how do we eat in the 6 months that it takes to get the patent approved?
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Re: Gbatteries (YC W14) Launches BatteryBox, A 50Whr Backup Battery For MacBooks
#196However, having worked on BMS systems for lithium batteries this sounds very fishy. Maybe they've hit on something spectacular, but it seriously looks like snake oil based on the info they've provided thus far.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough I could see Apple doing this. Although if batteries last as long as indicated here they would have to up the cost nearly twice as much per battery to keep profits steady.
Anecdotally, I see few people replacing their apple device (for an other one) because of battery life, and conversely stories of apple stores replacing batteries/devices because of battery life issues are regular. All in all, I don't think they'd care. Their biggest business these days is phone & tablet, and battery life (and the failure thereof) is not the primary upgrade driver.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
The claimed performance would provide a huge competitive advantage. If it worked as advertised and Apple had control over it, they'd integrate the software into their products and this box would never see the light of day as a third party product.
Apparently Apple already has it. Read the section titled "your new notebook" http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
Apple boasts 80% of original capacity after 1000 cycles. Which was industry leading, at least at the time of introduction. But a long way off GBatteries' claim.
And better batteries would further buoy resale price of Apple gear, which buoys their premium pricing for new goods. If they could have this, they would want it. Badly. It would also perfectly fit their MO for acquisitions: an engineering/technology acquisition that provides a competitive advantage to their core business.
Re: Gbatteries (YC W14) Launches BatteryBox, A 50Whr Backup Battery For MacBooks
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
That reminds me, I stumbled upon some very interesting discussion here while doing some research on lion characteristics a few weeks ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lithium-ion_battery/Archiv... But real batteries are obviously unaware of these sources because there are numerous examples in the wild that have been regularly fully discharged (to 2.8 to 3.0 volts), stored at around 20 °C and kept fully charged i…
But notice the phrase "properly cared for". Do you think the average consumer properly cares for his/her battery or even knows what "proper care" is? My girlfriend never charges her iPad until it reaches 0%.
Also notice this phrase: there are numerous examples in the wild that have been regularly fully discharged (to 2.8 to 3.0 volts), stored at around 20 °C and kept fully charged in between times. These batteries are over 12 years old and are fully functional.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am guessing they have licensed magsafe from Apple. Pretty sure they would get a call from Apple lawyers otherwise. There are universal chargers and batteries with all sorts of connectors which are not patent encumbered. Kind of makes me wonder if Apple would cooperate at this stage and then consider buying the company later.
Apple doesn't license MagSafe to anyone.