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The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Re: The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Post by dfc »

goalieca wrote: post #8

With the theme of ageism and NIH being brought up a lot lately, I'm glad to see that the neck-bearded unix philosophy (tm) of composition and single purpose are winning over these complicated object oriented frameworks.

Why not drop the "neck-bearded" bit? Evi Nemeth had more Unix chops than 99.86% of the people on HN and no neck beard.

Re: The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Post by tdicola »

Count me in as a fan of makefiles too. Haven't done much with them for frontend stuff but will have to give it a shot. My biggest problem with make is that, kind of like javascript, it's been around for so long it's really hard to find good information on it. At least the core functionality really hasn't changed all that much so even very old information is still quite relevant.

Re: The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Post by mathrawka »

badman_ting wrote: post #13

I have seen this idea floating around… personally I would rather write JS than learn another weird file format that I will have to Google every single time I mess with the Makefile, but the idea is decent.

When you are learning that new JS framework, do you not keep going through their docs and googling?

I would say the documentation and google results for a decade old tool would be more available when you try to do something a bit complex.

Re: The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Post by cmbaus »

goalieca wrote: post #8

With the theme of ageism and NIH being brought up a lot lately, I'm glad to see that the neck-bearded unix philosophy (tm) of composition and single purpose are winning over these complicated object oriented frameworks.

I'm not sure I would go as far as calling Grunt a complicated OO framework, but the first thing that crossed my mind when looking at Grunt was 'why not use make?' It may not be perfect, but at least you get incremental builds.

Re: The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Post by forrestthewoods »

God I hate make. I hate make so very, very much. Compiling code isn't that hard. I swear to the programming lords on high it isn't.

Here's a wonderfully useful open source project - Google gperftools [1]. It includes TCMalloc amongst other things. The Makefile.in is 6390 lines long. Configure is 20,767 lines long. Libtool is 10247 lines long. That's fucking insane.

Compiling OpenSource is such a pain in the ass. Particularly if you trying to use it in a cross-platform Windows + OS X + Linux environment. One of my favorite things about iOS middleware is that one of their #1 goals is to make it as easy as possible to integrate into your project. Usually as simple as add a lib, include a header, and call one single line of code to initialize their system (in the case of crash report generation and gathering).

I work on a professional project. We have our own content and code build pipeline. It supports many platforms. I don't want anyone's god damn make bullshit. I want to drop some source code and library dependencies into my source tree that already exists and click my build button that already exists.

[1] https://code.google.com/p/gperftools/

Re: The Ultimate Frontend Build tool: make

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #19

God I hate make. I hate make so very, very much. Compiling code isn't that hard. I swear to the programming lords on high it isn't. Here's a wonderfully useful open source project - Google gperftools [1]. It includes TCMalloc amongst other things. The Makefile.in is 6390 lines long. Configure is 20,767 lines long. Libtool is 10247 lines long. That's fucking insane. Compiling OpenSource is such a pain in the ass. Part…

And yet most contemporary hipster build systems are all just shiny make reinventions.
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