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It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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Maybe when employers start to figure out that smart, hard working people exist who don't have college degrees and can do the job just as good as ivy leaguers, then we may finally start to see tuition costs come down to earth. Disclaimer: I have a degree from a top school

Ivy Leaguers are doing fine. Why are people paying (borrowing) $40k-$50k /yr to attend a non-IvyLeague school?

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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We have to ask ourselves why college is so expensive. When some people read articles like this, they call for more government aid to students. "We need to help young, hard working students from unprivileged backgrounds to pay for college!" Their hearts are certainly in the right place, and it isn't an unreasonable idea at first glance. However, could this idea be part of the problem? Maybe giving people free money fo…

I don't know anyone who gets free money for college, except for people who inherit their money or have rich parents. I feel like this is a really central part of your argument, and it doesn't hold water. Every cent we go into debt has to be paid back with interest, and the students who have to foot the bill have zero input in the hiring standards of the companies we have to work for when we graduate. I think trying t…

> I don't know anyone who gets free money for college

Here you go http://studentaid.ed.gov/types/grants-scholarships

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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Why do you need to work your way through college? Get a loan, Take more credit-hours per term, and pick a field that will give you a greater pay increase and your work will be worth a lot more (per hour) when you graduate. I understand this is an oversimplification because some people can't get loans/grants.

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $1k specifying down to the cent how you are to use it I would classify that as someone else spending money on you, with the superficial detail that the money happened to pass through your bank account.

Not exactly. Food stamps can only be spent on food, but you can determine what food you buy. Financial Aid must have tuition(and often books) deducted before the remainder is deposited into your account. Your company may pay for your hotel room and meal, but only a room at a 3-star hotel or lower and a $20 meal at a casual dining establishment. It's not as black and white as you guys put it. Strings can exist, but ho…

I never said it was black and white. I thought that was the intent of the person I replied to when they said "down to the cent."

I agree with you that it isn't black and white. (This is simply a semantic argument.)

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

#66

I had a well-paying software internship for most of my time in college, and still left college with ~$30k of debt. Even while making $600/week, it wasn't possible to manage living expenses and tuition payments without taking loans.

$30k total debt, to enable your future career, is nothing to be complaining about. That's ~$50/month service.

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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I bet half the audience sees this as an indictment of tuition increases, and the the other half sees this as an indictment of the lack of minimum wage increases. I know what the author is trying to convey, but I'm not sure he has the best metric.

The author being right 2 different ways doesn't make it less right.

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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post #44

Isn't this just basic supply and demand? There are more students trying to go to university now than there were in the 70s. It's basically become the next version of high school socially (and, sadly, also academically in many cases). What we need is a culture that respects people who want to just work at a factory, a big box store, a mall, whatever, without pushing them into doing something they don't want to do (sch…

That would be true only if supply were fixed. Many more people want computers now than in the 70s, but prices are much lower.

Supply at the top end is fixed. More and more people want to go to Harvard or Stanford, but it's not as though the supply of super-elite colleges has expanded.

What seems to have expanded most is a means of getting a generic "college degree". Compared to that time, there are a lot more low-end places which will accept people with a checkbook (or federal student loan) and a pulse.

Also, you can even acquire the knowledge associated with a degree, but without an actual diploma (MOOCs, online learning, etc).

Re: It’s impossible to work your way through college nowadays

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If people were so rational, everyone would go to college because the expected value of college still dwarfs the cost of college. No, the expected value of a college degree is a result of a labour supply/demand curve and it wouldn't remain the same if you drastically shifted the supply curve. If everyone went to college, the additional earning power of a college graduate relative to the mean would be zero.

This is true within a fixed labor market, but it gets more complex with globalization. If a country's educational mix changes, its position vis-a-vis the world labor market can also change. How to manage that in a way that produces a net-positive outcome is more complex, though. The Danish educational strategy is more or less betting on "going upmarket" via levels of education that are much higher than the global nor…

> Hence a goal to have 50% of people have bachelor's degrees by 20xx

Interestingly, the college enrolment rate is 66% in the USA with around 30% of the population completing. Similarly, in Canada, the university enrolment rate is 50% with 25% of the population completing.

Given that, it seems that the only way we might even be able to come close to a 50% degree attainment rate, in North America at least, is to force everyone into college or make it so easy that anyone can do it. Neither solution is one I would feel comfortable getting behind just to meet artificial targets.

Can you shed some more light on how the Danes hope to be able to achieve this beyond the financial aspect? What makes their population more successful in academic pursuits?

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