> can run backward. On a treadmill. In the dark. Why is this so significant. Does this affect your health in a goodway?
It's a demonstration of good health. (But not necessarily longevity.)
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#42Can you really run a caloric deficit indefinitely? Surely that can't be the answer.
It's not about running a caloric deficit, but a caloric restriction. Usually the goal is reducing your caloric intake by 20-40% compared to your regular diet. You don't need to run a deficit and burn more than you take in or you would waste away.
Surely if the human body were a simple machine, as some people argue, then you would be running at a deficit? Any excess energy would have to be stored. In reality, however, the body can adjust to a range of energy input and allow you to run at lower levels of input, albeit with a reduced metabolism.
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#44I don't want to sound mean but he's still Then, being mean, what I see here is a narcissistic guy who's saying: "I'm so cool and I bet that with exercise I will survive until 130years. Everyone should worship to my phallus idol" To which I would like to reply: lucky you in being fit and strong and cool and rich and yada yada yada. I hope the best for you, but still this will have a ludicrous scientific relevance. And…
I'd like to state this controversial position, in the hope that is read with the open-mindness of the "what you don't say" thread:
I believe that many of the problems of our society are due to people afraid of dying: Accumulating money in the delusion of fighting death. The universal fight for happiness is impersonated in one extra year of struggle, often by sacrificing the life of others. Seems to me that despite 2000+ years of history, a concept such as the acceptance our own frailty, and the consequent joy of every extra day, is too hard to be learned.
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#45His plan is only a plan to live healthily. In that he is like David Murdoch [1], who has the fortunate coincidence of living longer, being very wealthy, and having long had good health practices. But once you get past your 70s and 80s, the odds of living longer start to have much more to do with your genes than your past health practices. 75% of everyone with the best diets and healthiest lifestyles die before reachi…
> The only material things worth a damn are (a) 80/20 good health practices like regular moderate exercise and calorie restriction
There is a study showing that caloric restriction increases life span in monkeys [1], but apparently there were issues with that study. According to a NYT article [2]:
>Its authors had disregarded about half of the deaths among the monkeys they studied, saying they were not related to aging. If they had included all of the deaths, there was no extension of life span in the Wisconsin study.
Another study on caloric restriction in monkeys showed no increase in average lifespans [3]. Also the NYT article mentions that other studies on rats have also shown no increase in lifespan using caloric restriction. So there's not really a great consensus out on the effectiveness of this yet.
[1] http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5937/201.short
[2] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/science/low-calorie-diet-d...
[3] http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v489/n7415/full/nature1...
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#46He's found the best way to live an extended life - be rich. He has access to health care and doctors most people can't afford & preventative tests that typical insurance doesn't cover. Of course, just because you have access to that type of health care, doesn't mean you take advantage of it - Warren Buffett famously put off his colorectal exams forever, nearly costing him dearly. The other aspect of this article that…
You're right. Although it's likely he may live an extended life due to genes, his parents passed in their 90's, he's living the latter years the best way possible, by being rich. And it's reasonable to think his wealth is buying "power packs", like hormone replacement, that he'd rather not see in the press.
Certainly genetics are part of this as you say his parents both lived to 94 and 98.
But I would say what may help him live longer than his genetics would allow is the consistency of his health care.
Being rich allows him the luxury of health care, I think this is the biggest factor helping him and being able to eat well i.e. good quality food which is expensive. Even though here in Canada we have socialized medicine and at times it sucks at least it's consistent in that we have the care available. For small problems or major ones it's the daily availability of being able to get help and not waiting until it's too late due to lack of coverage or money to pay a doctor.
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#47Brazilian here. Diniz is ripped and muscular because he takes steroids, as one HNer questioned below. This is well known here to people who strength train, from all the photos he takes showing off his muscles, and from the doctors he's associated with (doctors who charge an arm and a leg to legally prescribe steroids -- this was exposed in a national magazine recently, but was quite known before). How he does keep his muscles with a calorie deficit, I don't know. Probably just a bad article. And no, I don't really like the guy. He's just a billionaire playboy who likes to be on the spotlight. And yes, there are some brazilian billionaires who I admire. Just not this guy.
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#48His plan is only a plan to live healthily. In that he is like David Murdoch [1], who has the fortunate coincidence of living longer, being very wealthy, and having long had good health practices. But once you get past your 70s and 80s, the odds of living longer start to have much more to do with your genes than your past health practices. 75% of everyone with the best diets and healthiest lifestyles die before reachi…
>A copy of you isn't you.
I'm surprised people still believe this. There are no souls. Nothing about the atoms in your brain are special. If I replaced them all right now with "different" atoms (if the universe even does have a unique identity assigned to every particle) you would be the same person.
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#49Anecdotally the elderly people I've known who've lived the longest, have been the ones who've been active as long as possible, not just with exercise but also trying to continue either working in some regard or continue travelling and exploring. I'd imagine there's likely studies on it, but as our population ages it'll become more significant.
I am fairly sure there is some causation there, but I am not sure which causation is greater: stay active => live longer, or the combination of be healthy => stay active with be healthy => live longer.
That gets especially hairy when one start thinking about what 'be healthy' means. That 70 year old who is physically healthy, but doesn't seem interested in what happens in the world anymore, is that a healthy person?
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#50I don't want to sound mean but he's still Then, being mean, what I see here is a narcissistic guy who's saying: "I'm so cool and I bet that with exercise I will survive until 130years. Everyone should worship to my phallus idol" To which I would like to reply: lucky you in being fit and strong and cool and rich and yada yada yada. I hope the best for you, but still this will have a ludicrous scientific relevance. And…
I'd like to state this controversial position, in the hope that is read with the open-mindness of the "what you don't say" thread: I believe that many of the problems of our society are due to people afraid of dying: Accumulating money in the delusion of fighting death. The universal fight for happiness is impersonated in one extra year of struggle, often by sacrificing the life of others. Seems to me that despite 20…
Somebody could be just as money-hungry and have no illusions of fighting death. Their goal might be to leave family well-off, for instance.