I think this would make more sense if comment karma, and link karma are a different (like on reddit). For example, I have nearly 1000 karma points, but most of those points came from links I have posted. And then there is bob who has 500 karma, but has never posted a link and most of his karma comes from contributing to discussions. I pass the 1000 point threshold, and now I have the ability to decide whether bobs comment is good enough to be live when I haven't proved that I can contribute to the discussion.
Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
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Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#132I do not think this is a good idea. I've already looked through the list of noobcomments and without any context, I have no interest in looking to see if they are relevant or not. The issue with the current model is that all I see is a list of green comments. What articles are they related to, what other discussions are they replying to? Realize my comments come from the perspective of someone with 8600+ karma. I won…
Maybe I misunderstood the system (and with no way of checkin it out myself, having below 1000 karma myself), but I thought users with 1000+ karma would see all comments appear directly on each post and could then decide whether they are "worthy" or not to be shown to everyone.
Thinking about this again I realize that would kind of defeat the whole idea as established users would still see all the "bad" comments, maybe someone can elaborate on how exactly it's supposed to work.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#133I've read a number of pretty interesting comments by posters who wanted to remain anonymous by using throwaway accounts. I'd never see these with the new comment system.
FWIW I have showdead set to "Yes"; I want to see everything.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a (mostly) lurker who's quite wary of this change, I agree that stifling newcomers and longtime but quiet users could deprive the HN community of something real. That said, Hacker News is a high enough quality forum that it could fare quite well for some time even if it completely cut off registrations. I don't think the experiment will be catastrophic by any means; though it'll undoubtedly result in at least some…
The worst aspect of this change for me is the knowledge that because of my sub-500 status I am not even allowed to see pending comments. I am cut off from the full discourse. PG indicated that he might add show pending/dead comment buttons so maybe that concern will be alleviated.
It sounds like the limit is 1000, so some of us with over 500 karma also would not be able to see them either.
I'm skeptical about the hypothesis of how this would play out, but I'll reserve judgment until it goes live.
I just hope this isn't abused by users with over 1000 karma as a way to stifle dissenting views on topics some users may feel strongly about.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having a $5 sign-up fee would be better than 'pending comments', IMHO.
The $5 sign-up-fee isn't as cheap as it would seem in developing countries.
There's no reason the fee can't vary depending on the location of the person signing up.
I also think this is a far better solution than "pending comments". I'm not convinced that either solution is ideal, but I fear "pending comments" has the potential to silently strangle HN.
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#136Call me cynical, but this sure seems like an effort to enforce groupthink on the company news outlet. I suppose we'd do well to remember what business YC is in, and how critical public messaging and perception is to that business, not just in terms of their existing investments, but also ongoing recruitment.
There is a chance that YC had already crossed the threshold of not being money-hungry and now is in the community-building mode. And if not. Oh well. Anyone who matters is likely to be intelligent enough to detect company bullshit/groupthink and this would be the end of it.
There is no such thing as the threshold of "threshold of not being money-hungry and now is in the community-building mode". What on earth is that idea from? Is it a capitalist view, that if you becoming immensely wealthy that your wealth confers benefits automatically on society? I'm curious.
Y Combinator is not turning into a charity or a non-profit. How does that make logic? It's primary intention is to make a profit. It is a business.
Part of that business is public relations and community management, but it's a business first and last.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#137I like the community here, can't see exactly what problem is trying to be fixed.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#138I do not think this is a good idea. I've already looked through the list of noobcomments and without any context, I have no interest in looking to see if they are relevant or not. The issue with the current model is that all I see is a list of green comments. What articles are they related to, what other discussions are they replying to? Realize my comments come from the perspective of someone with 8600+ karma. I won…
Maybe I misunderstood the system (and with no way of checkin it out myself, having below 1000 karma myself), but I thought users with 1000+ karma would see all comments appear directly on each post and could then decide whether they are "worthy" or not to be shown to everyone. Thinking about this again I realize that would kind of defeat the whole idea as established users would still see all the "bad" comments, mayb…
To cover for comments on older stories, there would also be an area where the 1k could voluntarily review comments, presumably without context.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#139First law of the internet: everyone hates changes. Second law of the internet: nobody will remember in a week.
I remember. Every time I visit HN, I think about the golden days of visible comment karma.
And that's even less significant than having to wait for fake moderators to show up and approve or reject your comment.
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#140This may be difficult for some people to understand such as famous users, but quite a few of my best comments were never upvoted. So I believe that this will also filter out many valid comments.
I'm by no means famous, but I have over 2.5x the karma requirement and very well understand your point.