1000 karma seems like an awful lot (from my lowly perspective). What proportion of the site's users is that?
Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
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Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having a $5 sign-up fee would be better than 'pending comments', IMHO.
MetaFilter does that, and doesn't seem to have problems with quality of discourse. Of course, HN as it stands doesn't seem to have significant problems with quality of discourse, either, so I'm not sure that HN needs either solution; discussion here is already far superior to what you find on the vast majority of sites.
> MetaFilter does that, and doesn't seem to have problems with quality of discourse.
What also helps the level of discourse at Metafilter is moderation to the tune of showing up in threads, deleting comments, and saying "knock it off" when things get particularly bad.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is, this is a kind of change which makes it difficult to know the real impact since the users who would have a problem with it are the ones losing their voice (until a karma elite user intervenes, of course). That's one of the reasons most people are opposed to this.
Everyone can see pending comments, though. At a minimum, everyone has the potential to find out if there might be a problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/pending
I don't think that is correct. I can access the page, but I can't see any comments there. I have 393 karma at the moment.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#124I wonder if the YC partners took bets on what the ratios would be
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#125I'm not entirely sure how someone with under 1000 points will ever be able to get over 1000 points anymore.
pg isn't dumb. I'm pretty sure this is the point.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#126I suggest another option: wait to see what it's like.
That sounds reasonable and yet isn't always good advice; you don't throw yourself out the window and "wait to see what it's like".
I fail to see the problem with the current system / current comments; bad comments usually drown at the bottom of the page and that's that.
What would be the point of preventing noobs from commenting? What's with this love of aristocracy? "We were here first!!" So what? (I have 4k+ "karma" and my account is more than 2k days old but that does not make me special in any way, shape or form. If anything, it probably means I have already said all I ever had to say and should be shot in the head to make room for the young!! ;-)
But in this supposedly "democratic" system we're not given any choice so I guess we simply have to take it...
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone can see pending comments, though. At a minimum, everyone has the potential to find out if there might be a problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/pending
I don't think that is correct. I can access the page, but I can't see any comments there. I have 393 karma at the moment.
This was shut off around 4 hours ago, in case any issues came up while he slept.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7447790
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it was decidedly a positive change for the site. Was it? When things were transparent, there were no reason to upvote interesting trollish comments. Now they get blindly up-voted for being interesting. For example, consider this article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7436401 About 5 facebook engineers are answering questions. They are of course buried by a meta discussion about whether facebook should use PH…
My most up-voted comment is this: "2048 is HN's Flappy Bird" Hardly enlightening or interesting.
Amount of upvotes for a given post are about a lot of other factors than just the quality of comment. Time of day is a major factor, for instance.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#129If I maintain my current levels of posting/karma receiving, I should be eligible to post unfettered comments in 84 years or so.
Re: Poll: The new HN comment system – agree, disagree, or wait and see?
#130We will never be able to have such an open debate like this again. Future conversations on how to improve HN will be filtered by 1000+ karma users. That seems at odds with what HN news stands for. While I have confidence in the abilities of these 1000+ karma users, it doesn't seem the right way.
I am confident that with some refinements a good outcome will be reached.