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Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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post #11

The AI winter is very much over, and we're back to the good old days of selling the future. I bet this team is very sharp, but there's still merit to "over-promise, under-deliver." "Phoenix, the co-founder, says Vicarious aims beyond image recognition. He said the next milestone will be creating a computer that can understand not just shapes and objects, but the textures associated with them. For example, a computer…

I wish instead of making computers do things that Humans are doing, people put more effort into making the Humans' job, instructing these stupid beasts (I mean the computers), easier.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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post #121

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Well, let's hope they will go broke wasting money into the AI research black hole before being able to actually build one :) Otherwise, you are correct. A successful built of super intelligent AI is probably an extinction event for the humans.

After super intelligent AI, what's special about humans?

We still have pets, and they're rather well taken care of.

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Funny to think that instead of curing diseases or making cheap renewable energy, we'd instead try to spend resources to invent a computer to do that for us...

Well it is incredibly dangerous , but if we did make safe, super intelligent AI, it would definitely be a much greater investment than directly working on those problems. To put it lightly, it would automate and massively bring down the cost/increase the speed of research and engineering. Sure enough money, spent on enough humans, given enough time, could eventually find a cure for any disease. But why do that when y…

Realistically though, a super intelligent AI, would require far more fundamental breakthroughs. People who say otherwise, should take a look at problems in Control theory.

The effect of scaling things up should be interesting though. Perhaps there is a "Phase transition" like thing, where suddenly something awesome happens. This also means that, sadly, Universities would no longer be able to provide adequate resources for research.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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post #41

* First Law: A robot must never harm a human being or, through inaction, allow any human to come to harm. * Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given to them by human beings, except where such orders violate the First Law. * Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence unless this violates the First or Second Laws.

We don't hold humans to these standards.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

#136
post #11

The AI winter is very much over, and we're back to the good old days of selling the future. I bet this team is very sharp, but there's still merit to "over-promise, under-deliver." "Phoenix, the co-founder, says Vicarious aims beyond image recognition. He said the next milestone will be creating a computer that can understand not just shapes and objects, but the textures associated with them. For example, a computer…

I wish instead of making computers do things that Humans are doing, people put more effort into making the Humans' job, instructing these stupid beasts (I mean the computers), easier.

mutually exclusive endeavors etc etc

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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post #116

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Why is curing all diseases a good thing?

Is being unhealthy good? Do you enjoy being ill?

I've given some thought to this, and the answer is it might be. Consider a future where we've managed to eliminate all diseases. By then our natural resistance to disease might have atrophied to a point where we will absolutely be unprepared to deal with new diseases (biologically), before we've managed to develop a cure for them.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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"Replicating the neocortex, the part of the brain that sees, controls the body, understands language and does math. Translate the neocortex into computer code and 'you have a computer that thinks like a person,” says Vicarious co-founder Scott Phoenix.'" Do you? Other than the language part it sounds like you may instead have an electronic lizard or cow. Add language and you might have an electronic parrot or dolphin…

Well it's not clear where such high level functions come from, but it's certainly progress. Making an AI as smart as an animal would be an incredible advancement btw.

"Making an AI as smart as an animal would be an incredible advancement btw."

Only if your goal was to make an artificial (non-human) animal. But would that be a step toward making an artificial human?

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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post #82

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>I also found the random remark of "consciousness = what it feels like to have a neocortex" interesting. So there's a way it feels to not have a neocortex? Doesn't feeling anything imply you're conscious, which means you don't need a neocortex to be conscious?

An insect "feels" pain. It doesn't however feel retrospective pain, and it doesn't feel the past in the same way we do. Having a neocortex is like having a 6th sense. Our taste, smell, hearing, sight, and feeling neurons are all indirectly fed into our brain. With a neocortex, that input is also fed in. It's our "consciousness" feeling. I hope that explains the confusion.

How in the world would you know this?

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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post #74

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Funny to think that instead of curing diseases or making cheap renewable energy, we'd instead try to spend resources to invent a computer to do that for us...

Why do you think our creators made the simulated universe we live in? There's an infinite-loop bug, however: each simulation tries to solve the real problem by creating a sub-simulation.

That's not infinite loop bug, that's recursion. Usually an exit condition will get out of the loop. In this case, sounds like once found solution to cure disease and new energy, the condition is met. Yes?
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