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My may concern with this system: Sledgehammer meets tack. The comments on HN aren't perfect, but they're far from bad when compared to other sites of this nature. There has been a downwards trend most probably due to the increasing popularity of HN. A response is warranted. However, this system has the potential to silence a lot of high quality comments on any threads that aren't on the front-page for an extended per…
PG, Is 1000 Karma a major threshold? How many people does this mean? like 100 people, 10,000 people? Just curious about the sample size if you can reveal it.
See https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders . Way more than 100, almost certainly more than 1,000, and very likely more than 10,000 if my guesswork based on those figures is correct.
I used http://hn-karma-tracker.herokuapp.com/ to find the number of users with a karma over 927, and there are 5.1k. There are probably about 4.5-4.7k that have a karma over 1000, and that includes users that are no longer a part of the community for whatever reason (like aaronsw.)
Opinion:
I think this change will be restrictive to the community. If I have no idea whether a well researched, helpful comment I make will even be seen, I won't bother submitting it; I'll likely move to http://lobste.rs. If anyone wants an invite, email me@owenversteeg.com with a working implementation of FizzBuzz, your preferred email, and one reason you should be a part of the site.
tl;dr I don't feel like playing russian roulette with my comments.
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I think one compromise could be to remove this restriction from users with > x karma. It's not ideal to me but it is something ...
It is, actually. Comments by users with over 10k karma go live immediately.
PG, instead of adding an endorse button, why not just use the upvote button and display the pending comment after it's been upvoted by a few 1000+ karma users? Do you want the standards for endorsement to be different than the standards for upvotes?
Yes. It should be possible to endorse something without agreeing with it.
I already have to be careful not to upset any moderators and get hell-banned. With comments that won't get published if they don't please the crowd there's no reason to comment any more. And if I can't comment, why spend the time reading in the first place?
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Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.
This was all the code it took: (newsop pending () (pending-page user)) (newscache pending-page user 60 (listpage user (msec) comments* [if (and (cansee user _) _!pending) _] "pending" "Pending Comments" "pending" nil)) In this project I've really benefited from having kept the code tight.
I fear that this is going to have the effect of drowning out minority or contrary opinions, even those that are legitimate (non-trolling) and expressed in a respectful manner. Currently, the downvote button is only supposed to be used for unproductive comments - drivel, and the like. Of course, people use it to show their disagreement (even though that's not how it's meant to be used). As a result, people that post c…
Currently, the downvote button is only supposed to be used for unproductive comments - drivel, and the like. Of course, people use it to show their disagreement (even though that's not how it's meant to be used). No, that's wrong. Downvoting for disagreement is how downvoting is meant to be used, as pg has made clear on HN many times over the years. [I edited the previous sentence to make it less ambiguous.] The conf…
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If purging (substantial and interesting) one-to-one conversation is an intended effect I think that'd be a shame.
No, that's not intended. If it happens we'll fix it.
eg:
Two commenters X,Y with sub-threshold karma (Two commenters X,Y (Karma 1,000+ each) in substantially different timezones with a-synchronous dialogue (eg, overnight replies) would need a third party z to endorse each and every comment (at least until the other wakes up).
Two commenters X,Y (Karma 1,000+ each) with opposing views, could never have a real-time dialogue without a third party z to endorse each and every comment (unless #)
Hopefully these are at least helpful to dilineate.
# "Thank you sir, can I have another".