The posting delay sounds like a terrible idea. Say I spend some time writing a very long comment to a not so popular thread and hit submit. Then I notice that someone replied to another comment of mine and had a question or something. I can't reply to him in a timely matter since I used my one comment already. So do I need to go and delete my newest comment, reply to the person who responded to me, then go back and re-comment the one I initially did? This sounds very silly.
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#312This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…
The readership and contributions here are very tame, I think this change is unnecessary. Whats wrong with some debate involving contrarian opinion with a little fire in their bellies? We can cope, we don't need to be saved from one-another.
It will end in a bunch of people all agreeing with each other in one massive group think.
At the very least that would be unhelpful when people are seeking varied opinions on their work.
Bonkers really. Hey ho.
HN becomes news aggregator only.
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.
Also worth mentioning that 'patio11 posts late at night (our time; he's in Japan) in little bursts. But he's not high-volume, so maybe that doesn't matter. I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
Considering Patrick's tendency for amassing huge amounts of karma (not a dis), even on older threads, I'd be surprised if that poses any issue whatsoever.
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#314When I endorse a comment, does that also upvote the comment? Or is voting completely separate from endorsing?
Separate. Endorsing just means you think a comment is substantial, not that you agree with it.
And that is where this solution falls down. You are relying on a subset of people to ignore their human nature and endorse things they do not agree with.
Whilst I'll admit they maybe some who will do this, I believe the majority will just follow their instincts. This sort of behaviour can be seen in any internet forum.
Inevitably new posters are required to write posts they think will be endorsed in order to achieve the karma threshold needed to use the site properly
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#315I use HN regularly and post comments once in a while. I have asked a few questions which never reached the front page but have 1-2 answers which helped me immensely. The posts have 1-2 upvotes only. But it still works for me. Now with this pending review feature, those comment will never show rendering it useless for a small time guy like me.
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also worth mentioning that 'patio11 posts late at night (our time; he's in Japan) in little bursts. But he's not high-volume, so maybe that doesn't matter. I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
Considering Patrick's tendency for amassing huge amounts of karma (not a dis), even on older threads, I'd be surprised if that poses any issue whatsoever.
I'm just wondering if there's maybe an atypical gap between the time Patrick tends to post comments and the time those comments tend to soak up their comment, so that the endorsement delay could be an issue.
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#317PG, instead of adding an endorse button, why not just use the upvote button and display the pending comment after it's been upvoted by a few 1000+ karma users?
Do you want the standards for endorsement to be different than the standards for upvotes?
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#318If you want to improve comments, you need to have less carrot-and-stick (that will drive comments into parroting types) and more specific criticisms, or offer the possibility of re-writes. Children, no matter what age they are, do not learn faster by being slapped on their fingers but guided; I believe that kind of mentoring is the exact reason why YCombinator improves naked capitalism.
I had enough of my comments voted down for “not respecting community standards” because a handful of people can’t imagine my questions are not rhetorical. If they had to re-phrase them, they would have realised negativity was only in their knee-jerk.
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#319Are you at all worried that the increased comment friction will cause us to lose a lot of users? I guess the counter argument could be made that if we lose people because they are upset they can't post angry/useless comments, we might be better off without those users. And if it's so many that HN ceases to be useful to everyone, it might be better for the world if HN didn't exist. Which is a sobering thought. The oth…
A bad new user experience is just plain bad. I've been on at least one forum where they did this for the first N comments and my experience was basically that you are taken out of the conversation. Yes, your comments eventually get approved, but 15, 60, or 600 minutes later. By that time the people who can speak freely have already moved on and whatever you had to say is no longer relevant.
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#320If you want to improve comments, you need to have less carrot-and-stick (that will drive comments into parroting types) and more specific criticisms, or offer the possibility of re-writes. Children, no matter what age they are, do not learn faster by being slapped on their fingers but guided; I believe that kind of mentoring is the exact reason why YCombinator improves naked capitalism.
I had enough of my comments voted down for “not respecting community standards” because a handful of people can’t imagine my questions are not rhetorical. If they had to re-phrase them, they would have realised negativity was only in their knee-jerk.