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Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by derekp7 »

glesica wrote: post #39
skolor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Should a prosecutor be allowed to prosecute a case if he doesn't understand the actions taken by the prosecuted? Yes. There's no reason a prosecutor needs to understand the details of exploit development in order to prosecute a case related to it. A hyperbolic comparison would be to claim a prosecutor needs to be able to build a nuke if they were to prosecute someone who built one in their garage. A more apt compar…

But if he doesn't know what a centrifuge is, then how does he know that most people wouldn't know how to use one? Maybe he's an outlier... Also, I don't think anyone is saying the prosecutor should be an expert at infosec, but he should at least know enough about the supposed crimes committed to know whether or not they are crimes. To extend your nuke analogy, he needn't know how to build a nuke, but he should know o…

So kind of like a science fair student that builds a nuclear reactor by using the material from a smoke detector, and sensitive enough test equipment to demonstrate that a micro chain reaction took place? To someone with appropriate knowledge, this would be nothing special -- but to the general public, "Nuclear Reactor!!! Lock him up!!!"

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

metatalk wrote: post #47
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As abhorrent as his personality may be, there is no reason to lock him up. Prison is not a place to just put in everyone you find disagreeable, although most governments would likely insist against that.

He does his best to ruin people's lives and to destroy their spirits for fun. he's not just disagreeable, he's a shitty human being who is exactly where he belongs. He's just there for the wrong reasons. I hope he grows up and changes, but all currently available evidence is that he'll never grow up. So fuck him. And fuck people like you who mischaracterize his malicious campaigns as merely being 'disagreeable'. I ho…

I hope that he targets the people you love next time he gets out. Then maybe you'll realize what an utterly worthless sack of shit you're supporting.

Clearly you're not clouded by emotion in any way. I've been systemically targeted by trolls years ago, I have some experiences. Not as extreme as what weev may have done, but then again I didn't post much personally identifiable information.

Can't say it's something to throw people in jail over, though it depends on severity, certainly.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by catshirt »

gamblor956 wrote: post #31
6cxs2hd6 wrote: post #5

> The problem, in short, is that the Assistant U.S. Attorney Glenn Moramarco doesn’t understand what Weev did and instead compared his hacking to “blowing up a nuclear plant in New Jersey.” He said: >> We have a case here where…[the defense] is arguing that this was completely open to everyone. But you look at the testimony of Daniel Spitler and the steps he had to take to get to this wide open Web and I’m flabbergas…

When a prosecutor is not only technically illiterate, but proud of their illiteracy, they should be disbarred. By that logic, when a programmer is illiterate with regards to the law, they should be barred from programming forever if they make an app/SaaS/whatever that breaks any law, any where, for whatever reason. Prosecutors, especially US Attorneys, are self-aggrandizing, attention-seeking political whores, but te…

>> By that logic, when a programmer is illiterate with regards to the law, they should be barred from programming forever if they make an app/SaaS/whatever that breaks any law, any where, for whatever reason.

a lawyer exists to defend and interpret law. which this guy is arguably incapable of, given his elementary knowledge of really simple technical principles.

that is not the job of a software engineer. i'm not sure your analogy holds water.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by [deleted] »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #52
metatalk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does his best to ruin people's lives and to destroy their spirits for fun. he's not just disagreeable, he's a shitty human being who is exactly where he belongs. He's just there for the wrong reasons. I hope he grows up and changes, but all currently available evidence is that he'll never grow up. So fuck him. And fuck people like you who mischaracterize his malicious campaigns as merely being 'disagreeable'. I ho…

I hope that he targets the people you love next time he gets out. Then maybe you'll realize what an utterly worthless sack of shit you're supporting. Clearly you're not clouded by emotion in any way. I've been systemically targeted by trolls years ago, I have some experiences. Not as extreme as what weev may have done, but then again I didn't post much personally identifiable information. Can't say it's something to…

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Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by hmsimha »

gamblor956 wrote: post #40
glesica wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> need to at least understand the basic details in order to maintain their ethical obligations to their position, the court, and the defendant. So, if he didn't do this, and knew he didn't do it, couldn't one argue that he should be disbarred, or at least be subjected to some sort of professional sanction?

Disbarment? No. Sanctions? maybe. It depends on how relevant the misunderstanding was to the actual prosecution of the case. While the prosecutor was very technically illiterate, based on available records that illiteracy wasn't relevant to the elements of the crime itself, namely that he "impersonated" (within the meaning of the law) someone else's identity to access protected information. The id theft charge is the…

I'd argue that it becomes a pretty relevant misunderstanding when an innocent man (as far as the accusations go) sits in prison for a year. If someone can't practice law effectively (such as if they erroneously prosecute people for crimes they did not commit), then their ability to practice becomes a danger to society.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by agwa »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #43
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As abhorrent as his personality may be, there is no reason to lock him up. Prison is not a place to just put in everyone you find disagreeable, although most governments would likely insist against that.

Actually, prison is exactly the type of place we invented for the sole purpose of putting people we find disagreeable. We create laws to attempt to define disagreeable behavior and intentionally keep them vague enough that if someone gets out of line we can lock them up.

> and intentionally keep them vague enough that if someone gets out of line we can lock them up.

(Is this a joke? I honestly can't tell.)

That may be what you'd expect in a despotic regime, but in a free country (which is what the US aspires to be), laws cannot be vague, and vagueness is grounds for a law to be found unconstitutional on its face. Individuals must have adequate notice as to what conduct constitutes a crime and what doesn't. Otherwise it's impossible to know if what you're doing is legal or not, and you can find yourself thrown in prison just for being unpopular.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by [deleted] »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #52
metatalk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does his best to ruin people's lives and to destroy their spirits for fun. he's not just disagreeable, he's a shitty human being who is exactly where he belongs. He's just there for the wrong reasons. I hope he grows up and changes, but all currently available evidence is that he'll never grow up. So fuck him. And fuck people like you who mischaracterize his malicious campaigns as merely being 'disagreeable'. I ho…

I hope that he targets the people you love next time he gets out. Then maybe you'll realize what an utterly worthless sack of shit you're supporting. Clearly you're not clouded by emotion in any way. I've been systemically targeted by trolls years ago, I have some experiences. Not as extreme as what weev may have done, but then again I didn't post much personally identifiable information. Can't say it's something to…

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Re: Weev Needs To Walk

#58

Post by Consultant32452 »

agwa wrote: post #56
Consultant32452 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, prison is exactly the type of place we invented for the sole purpose of putting people we find disagreeable. We create laws to attempt to define disagreeable behavior and intentionally keep them vague enough that if someone gets out of line we can lock them up.

> and intentionally keep them vague enough that if someone gets out of line we can lock them up. (Is this a joke? I honestly can't tell.) That may be what you'd expect in a despotic regime, but in a free country (which is what the US aspires to be), laws cannot be vague, and vagueness is grounds for a law to be found unconstitutional on its face. Individuals must have adequate notice as to what conduct constitutes a…

Our prisons are primarily filled with unpopular people. We tend to refer to them as minorities. Some specific examples off the top of my head of intentionally vague law is when there's purely subjective decisions as to whether a crime is just a "regular" crime or a "hate crime." There also seems to be a lot of ambiguity around what exactly constitutes copyright infringement or the legal vs illegal varieties of hacking.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by metatalk »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #52
metatalk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does his best to ruin people's lives and to destroy their spirits for fun. he's not just disagreeable, he's a shitty human being who is exactly where he belongs. He's just there for the wrong reasons. I hope he grows up and changes, but all currently available evidence is that he'll never grow up. So fuck him. And fuck people like you who mischaracterize his malicious campaigns as merely being 'disagreeable'. I ho…

I hope that he targets the people you love next time he gets out. Then maybe you'll realize what an utterly worthless sack of shit you're supporting. Clearly you're not clouded by emotion in any way. I've been systemically targeted by trolls years ago, I have some experiences. Not as extreme as what weev may have done, but then again I didn't post much personally identifiable information. Can't say it's something to…

Clearly you're not clouded by emotion in any way.

No. I think you're an emotionless, unempathic member of a majority group who never really felt like your career, family, or friendships were in serious jeopardy. I sincerely doubt that you understand what it's like to see a loved one get psychologically attacked from multiple angles by a sociopathic piece of shit who thinks it's fun to break other people.

In a perfect world, weev would reform. In this world, I hope that he chooses you and your loved ones as his next target.

After all, if you're going to lobby for an evil bastard to be part of society, it would be best if the negative influence was limited to you.

Sadly, the worthless sack of shit that is weev will get out. And shitstains like you will support it. Because you know that he attacks people who don't look like you, and because you really don't care that he does so.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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Post by r00fus »

6cxs2hd6 wrote: post #5

> The problem, in short, is that the Assistant U.S. Attorney Glenn Moramarco doesn’t understand what Weev did and instead compared his hacking to “blowing up a nuclear plant in New Jersey.” He said: >> We have a case here where…[the defense] is arguing that this was completely open to everyone. But you look at the testimony of Daniel Spitler and the steps he had to take to get to this wide open Web and I’m flabbergas…

> When a prosecutor is not only technically illiterate, but proud of their illiteracy, they should be disbarred.

Unfrozen caveman prosecutor? I miss Phil Hartman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfrozen_Caveman_Lawyer

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