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Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by enupten »

JamesArgo wrote: post #57
pjbrunet wrote: post #44

Call it what it is, an expert system, market research, a database of decisions/observations. Real "artificial intelligence" only exists in science fiction, in the minds of children playing with toys. Your computer (doll) won't ever love you back or have any awareness or understanding no matter how bad you want it to. It's a cool sounding buzzword for marketing, but if there's any intelligence here it's coming from a…

Sadly, some people confuse their ignorance with knowledge and make all kinds of embarrassing claims. >There's no hint of evidence you = your brain. Sign up for a lobotomy we'll see much "you" is left afterwords. > If you believe artificial intelligence is possible, you're missing out on what life has to offer--or you would never think a box of switches could come alive. You got me. Believing x would make me think lif…

It would seem, we now have another instance of, Monty Python's proof.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by eurleif »

kriro wrote: post #68

I read/markered "On Intelligence" on my train commute to work and have scribbled a bunch of notes in the book. Pretty interesting and I like the basic idea of the memory-prediction framework, invariant representations, "melodies of patterns", focus on neocortex and the whole same general algorithm for all senses. I haven't had the time to research how far the general idea has gone or if it is relevant at all but the…

>I also found the random remark of "consciousness = what it feels like to have a neocortex" interesting.

So there's a way it feels to not have a neocortex? Doesn't feeling anything imply you're conscious, which means you don't need a neocortex to be conscious?

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by 0003 »

johnrob wrote: post #74
samstave wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny to think that instead of curing diseases or making cheap renewable energy, we'd instead try to spend resources to invent a computer to do that for us...

Why do you think our creators made the simulated universe we live in? There's an infinite-loop bug, however: each simulation tries to solve the real problem by creating a sub-simulation.

Now you have infinite problems.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by zxcvvcxz »

mattj wrote: post #11

The AI winter is very much over, and we're back to the good old days of selling the future. I bet this team is very sharp, but there's still merit to "over-promise, under-deliver." "Phoenix, the co-founder, says Vicarious aims beyond image recognition. He said the next milestone will be creating a computer that can understand not just shapes and objects, but the textures associated with them. For example, a computer…

Not to be cynical, but isn't this whole thing a glorified research project with founders that can sound visionary? Maybe that's a good formula.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by sp332 »

deletes wrote: post #67
nhaehnle wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Asimov himself explore the difficulties with such laws at length in his books?

In the books the robots adhered to the laws strictly. The problem was that humans were able to circumvent the laws rather easily. For example; lie to the robot or divide the murder trough many robots each unaware of each other. In absence of humans the robots were perfect for deciding moral subjects( as long they have enough information ), the opposite what tomp is suggesting.

His book I, Robot is a series of short stories in which the laws have been tampered with in various ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot#Contents

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by deletes »

sp332 wrote: post #85
deletes wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the books the robots adhered to the laws strictly. The problem was that humans were able to circumvent the laws rather easily. For example; lie to the robot or divide the murder trough many robots each unaware of each other. In absence of humans the robots were perfect for deciding moral subjects( as long they have enough information ), the opposite what tomp is suggesting.

His book I, Robot is a series of short stories in which the laws have been tampered with in various ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot#Contents

I should have specified I mean only the Robot trilogy. I have yet to read every book.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by otikik »

samstave wrote: post #18
mattj wrote: post #11

The AI winter is very much over, and we're back to the good old days of selling the future. I bet this team is very sharp, but there's still merit to "over-promise, under-deliver." "Phoenix, the co-founder, says Vicarious aims beyond image recognition. He said the next milestone will be creating a computer that can understand not just shapes and objects, but the textures associated with them. For example, a computer…

Funny to think that instead of curing diseases or making cheap renewable energy, we'd instead try to spend resources to invent a computer to do that for us...

It makes sense to invest on a plow instead of keeping hunting and gathering.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by danford »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #19

If they do pull that off, I hope they will be very, very careful. You know, Intelligence explosion, Friendly AI, taking over the world, that sort of things. http://intelligenceexplosion.com/

Hopefully they'll be nice enough to relieve us of these meat costumes and allow us to ascend to their level where civilization and machine can merge into one conscious entity and we can float around the sun for a few million years charging our batteries while we calculate a path through space that leads to our longest survival. When you can simulate the multiverse is there really any reason to travel through space to look for other life? Perhaps it may be interesting to come into contact with another super-consciousness drifting through space, but even then, would they really have much to offer? We would have simulated every occurrence of that too. The only thing left to do would be to somehow transcend space and time which I think is probably impossible.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by otikik »

deletes wrote: post #46
klrr wrote: post #41

* First Law: A robot must never harm a human being or, through inaction, allow any human to come to harm. * Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given to them by human beings, except where such orders violate the First Law. * Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence unless this violates the First or Second Laws.

* Zeroth Law: A robot must never harm humanity or, by inaction allow humanity to come to harm. Every other law gets an unless this interferes with the zeroth law. suffix. I encourage anyone to read the robots series, specifically( in that order ): The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun and The Robots of Dawn , where the three laws are used in the story, and even the zeroth law is implied in the third book.

And don't assume that since you watched the "I, Robot" movie you don't need to read the series.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by olalonde »

klrr wrote: post #41

* First Law: A robot must never harm a human being or, through inaction, allow any human to come to harm. * Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given to them by human beings, except where such orders violate the First Law. * Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence unless this violates the First or Second Laws.

Anyone who is interested in this topic should read the series on http://lesswrong.com
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