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Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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I wish we could stop this. Women in software is an important topic. This specific issue on the other hand is just a he-said-she-said soap opera. Nobody but the folks directly involved here know what really happened. Everything else is useless.

The problem is that it's always he-said-she-said, especially in the worst cases.

That is very true.

I would maintain, though, that besides the involved parties nobody can possibly know what really happened, and hence everything is just idle speculation.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I got your point quite clearly. If hula hooping women make you uncomfortable, that's unfortunate, but also totally your problem. Ditto breastfeeding and suchlike.

Clearly you did not. > If hula hooping women make you uncomfortable It wasn't women hula hooping made someone feel uncomfortable. It was men "gawking" at the women hula hooping, that made Julie Horvath feel uncomfortable. I hope you understand the difference. > If hula hooping women make you uncomfortable, that's unfortunate, but also totally your problem. Ditto breastfeeding and suchlike. Tangentially related--anoth…

> No one should have to feel uncomfortable at the workplace

I think you're wrong about that.

What about religious fundamentalists uncomfortable with gay people?

What about conservatives uncomfortable with breastfeeding?

What about chauvinists uncomfortable with women in leadership positions?

There is no right to 'not feel uncomfortable'. There is no right to 'not to feel offended'.

What you have to do is choose who you are going to offend.

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