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Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by rsync »

tptacek wrote: post #98
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're cherry picking the worst examples and it just sounds bitter. That isn't how most people were, and there are plenty of bad actors in industry that have done (and continue to do) far worse.

No, I mean, which "cool kids" are you referring to? I'm asking seriously. What exactly are you talking about? I'll respond in detail. I've been involved in vulnerability research since high school. And I'm guessing I'm significantly older than you are: I was already working professionally when the Lopatic overflow hit. I'm weakly willing to bet that whoever you think the "cool kids" were actually sucked.

Depends on what you mean by "sucked".

PLA, 303, cdc/l0pht, DoC ... there was precious little technical skill there (although there was some).

However, I'll take a CuervoCon over a pycon and a swamp ratte stage performance over a Steve Jobs presentation any day of the week.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by Zancarius »

guelo wrote: post #106
tptacek wrote: post #86

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What about it? Patent and trademark law are two things the typical valley "hacker" acutely oppose.

Bullshit. I haven't seen one supposed startup hacker put up a fight once the "grownups", investors, and lawyers start telling them they have to patent something. The only Silicon Valley moral is making money.

It's curious how well your comment fits with the article this discussion is over, because I think that's the underlying problem. It's no longer about fundamentally "hacker" interests as much as it is about financial gain, influence, legalities, and gobs of other rubbish.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

tptacek wrote: post #98
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're cherry picking the worst examples and it just sounds bitter. That isn't how most people were, and there are plenty of bad actors in industry that have done (and continue to do) far worse.

No, I mean, which "cool kids" are you referring to? I'm asking seriously. What exactly are you talking about? I'll respond in detail. I've been involved in vulnerability research since high school. And I'm guessing I'm significantly older than you are: I was already working professionally when the Lopatic overflow hit. I'm weakly willing to bet that whoever you think the "cool kids" were actually sucked.

You're taking it too literally, I wasn't referring to anyone. I explained the point in my previous post.

If your comment reflects sincerely held beliefs that accurately represent the scene as it was, I think it's safe to say you were not a part of it. Your derision of that culture is either out of dishonesty or ignorance.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by haakon »

ef4 wrote: post #55
ig1 wrote: post #27

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Don't trust Tor to provide anonymity against government adversaries. It's likely not secure given Snowden disclosure of anti-Tor tools.

I actually think Snowden's documents support a cautious optimism about Tor. The techniques they detail all amount to an admission that Tor itself is still quite difficult for the NSA to de-anonymize at scale. They resort to exploits against browsers instead, which is far less scalable and far more risky. According to Snowden, the NSA doesn't want to waste valuable vulnerabilities on low-value targets (since this risk…

Also, Snowden has a Tor sticker on his laptop.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

unreal37 wrote: post #79
woof wrote: post #65

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Somebody set up us the bomb! Seriously, use 30 seconds to browse, ie http://marc.info/?l=full-disclosure&r=1&b=201403&w=2 Notice 144 posts about "Google vulnerabilities with PoC"?

That's an ugly thread with people putting each other down in every post.

Haha, that is on the more civil side of FD discussions. Many hackers have ego problems.

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

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Post by tptacek »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #114
tptacek wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I mean, which "cool kids" are you referring to? I'm asking seriously. What exactly are you talking about? I'll respond in detail. I've been involved in vulnerability research since high school. And I'm guessing I'm significantly older than you are: I was already working professionally when the Lopatic overflow hit. I'm weakly willing to bet that whoever you think the "cool kids" were actually sucked.

You're taking it too literally, I wasn't referring to anyone. I explained the point in my previous post. If your comment reflects sincerely held beliefs that accurately represent the scene as it was, I think it's safe to say you were not a part of it. Your derision of that culture is either out of dishonesty or ignorance.

You're willing to accuse me of being dishonest or ignorant, so I think you should be willing to be specific about what you're talking about. Which cool kids are you referring to?

Re: Full-disclosure – Administrivia: The End

#120

Post by chris_wot »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #114
tptacek wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I mean, which "cool kids" are you referring to? I'm asking seriously. What exactly are you talking about? I'll respond in detail. I've been involved in vulnerability research since high school. And I'm guessing I'm significantly older than you are: I was already working professionally when the Lopatic overflow hit. I'm weakly willing to bet that whoever you think the "cool kids" were actually sucked.

You're taking it too literally, I wasn't referring to anyone. I explained the point in my previous post. If your comment reflects sincerely held beliefs that accurately represent the scene as it was, I think it's safe to say you were not a part of it. Your derision of that culture is either out of dishonesty or ignorance.

Wow, that was an uninformed comment.
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