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Re: Moto 360

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Just because a strap has a buckle doesn't mean it will ever hit your computer. I wear a Timex Expedition with a leather and fabric strap, and it's almost impossible to make the buckle touch my Macbook because it's too high up on the inside of my wrist - my hand would have to be almost perpendicular to the keyboard, with the backside of my thumb rotated down towards the keys.

You may have smaller wrists than some of us. Have some fat wrist porn: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kjed7wq0p23l42h/RbCpiuaGjH I don't usually work directly on my MBP, being of the one true religion (external keyboard/mouse/monitor), but when I do, the first is approximately how my left wrist normally rests, and the second is with my Pebble on, showing the buckle in contact with the MBP. It was hard to get the angle ri…

At least in the position on the right, that's not good form. You can see the intent on the top of the wrist, which means you're not in a neutral position for typing. I can't tell what's up on the left.

Personally, I find my watch tends to sit above my wrist, so it's not over the palm rest at all.

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You may have smaller wrists than some of us. Have some fat wrist porn: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kjed7wq0p23l42h/RbCpiuaGjH I don't usually work directly on my MBP, being of the one true religion (external keyboard/mouse/monitor), but when I do, the first is approximately how my left wrist normally rests, and the second is with my Pebble on, showing the buckle in contact with the MBP. It was hard to get the angle ri…

At least in the position on the right, that's not good form. You can see the intent on the top of the wrist, which means you're not in a neutral position for typing. I can't tell what's up on the left. Personally, I find my watch tends to sit above my wrist, so it's not over the palm rest at all.

I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that if I use "good form", I can't type for long before my arms fall off, like I'm aware that I never see anyone actually type in what is supposedly "good form" unless they're demonstrating what they claim you should do, but fail to do themselves.

In other words: This is how reality works. And here in reality, the buckle is annoying. Speculation as to its annoyance in an alternate reality is beside the point.

Re: Moto 360

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I find it hilarious that you name the exact model of laptop.

I appreciate that, I actually went back and forth on mentioning the specific model. It seemed relevant because of the case material (and dimensions of the trackpad/palm area), and I don't remember having the same issue with previous plastic case laptops.

I had the exact same issue on my 15" mbp, on the 13" rmpb I don't have the issue. It's is most noticeable with watches with metallic bands, but rubber bands also tend to get in the way.

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Apple is more a fashion company than a tech company. Those who buy and use its products are primarily concerned with advertising the fact that they use Apple products - conspicuous consumption. It's no different from how Gucci or Prada owners make sure to prominently display the brand of their handbag when they are in public. It's a simple form of signaling your identity, that you belong to a particular group. This i…

I choose Apple because I want good hardware with a *nix operating system. End of story. Show me an alternative, and you'll pique my interest. In the meantime, you should keep your ridiculous comments about conspicuous consumption to yourself.

Goddamn this. I have been a linuxer all my life but getting older somehow really makes patching drivers all the time quite unattractive. Bought my first mac this year... good decision.

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This is anecdotal evidence but I've noticed people using idevices mention the models rather than generic device names. I wonder why that is.

Apple is more a fashion company than a tech company. Those who buy and use its products are primarily concerned with advertising the fact that they use Apple products - conspicuous consumption. It's no different from how Gucci or Prada owners make sure to prominently display the brand of their handbag when they are in public. It's a simple form of signaling your identity, that you belong to a particular group. This i…

I was given a new Macbook Air for work. My primary history with good laptops is the IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad lineup.

I don't parade around with the laptop: it's a desk job, with as few dashes over to the datacentre as possible. I work in a highly diverse Windows/Mac/Linux environment.

I've been very satisfied with it, except for the slight lack of ports. The speed, solid/useful construction, 16:10 screen, battery life, reasonable OS, et cetera, all suit me well. A Macbook Pro, which has lots more ports and a better screen besides, would likely satisfy me 100%.

The extremely similar Lenovo X1 Carbon that I also use in the office is not unfortunately quite as enjoyable, though it's equally utilitarian. The price-point is virtually identical, at least with how we specced them. I had had high hopes for it, because I was considering one to replace my X220.

At what point is fashion involved in this equation? Where is the bragging? Where is the fanboyism?

Re: Moto 360

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$4000 is insane for a piece of consumer electronics OR a watch. A watch that expensive is purely status-indicating jewelry. If all you want to do is tell the time quickly, a $10 quartz watch does the job just fine. I am sure Vertu or some other ridiculous company will sell you your insane diamond-encrusted titanium penis size signifier with a touch screen and Android Wear integration, but it won't be any more functio…

This was, by far the best cost/benefit watch that I found latelly: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VR9HP2/ref=oh_details_o... Also, Swatch have some very nice ones, with a VERY good price.

Don't take this the wrong way but: That thing doesn't even have a respectable water-resistant rating, I was very exciting when I clicked on that link because I'm in the market for a new watch, but I need something that can take more than a couple drops of water...

For comparison: My first two watches lasted 2 years each and costed me ~$10 a pop plus they had a WR rating of 300m. Sadly they looked kinda juvenile and I needed something with a little more status, but I'm leaning on just going back because they really worked!

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Why not if it can be done well? Also, I thought the same thing about my smart phone years ago.

If flying cars existed, I'd drive one. If pigs flied I'd never leave home without an umbrella. If it could be done, maybe. But I do not think it can be done well. A watch's screen is maybe 2". It's designed to be glanced at and not stared at for extended periods of time. I don't want a watch that has the Web. It fundamentally doesn't do what I want a watch to do.

I guess a watch in which you can browser is not a watch anymore.

Re: Moto 360

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This is anecdotal evidence but I've noticed people using idevices mention the models rather than generic device names. I wonder why that is.

Maybe because they have simple and straightforward names that it's reasonable to expect most people will understand. Whereas if you said "my Dell Latitude 3300" most people would have no specific mental image for that. Like it or not, the simplicity of Apple's product line and naming scheme makes their product names more meaningful.

no it's the other way around. if people who own another brand of device would mention the name every other time, we'd have (or make sure to have) a good mental image for those as well.

Like a William Gibson novel.

I don't know what a "Dell Latitude 3300" looks like because its owners do not mention they own one when they talk about "their laptop". If they did, after a few mentions, I'd have gotten a clearer idea on the type of machine, or have looked it up.

there's nothing more meaningful about "MacBook Pro" than, say, "EeePC Seashell" (which is arguably an even more evocative name).

and especially among computer geeks who care for this kind of thing, adding a series number instead of some word, isn't a problem and actually helps.

Apple laptops have numbers too, right? It's easier for me, even because I don't keep track of all the different kinds of Macbooks out there, at least for iOS I can figure "higher number is newer". Just the term "Macbook Pro" merely tells me it's shiny, probably white or aluminium, expensive and owner is either from the US or in the graphic design/music industry.

Posted from my Asus EeePC 1215B "Seashell", with Linux Mint, hooked up to a Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" monitor, typed on a Microsoft Comfort Curv--ahh, sod it.

Re: Moto 360

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I love how the X1 feels/looks, but 14 inch is too large. I find 13 inch actually on the big side. 10-12 inch for a laptop is what I consider perfect. But yes, good one; the X1 is a great machine. So we have one contender :)

The Lenovo Yoga line is pretty great in general. I've been eyeing them pretty hard recently.

I eyed them a while ago, but read a bunch of not very favourable reviews; anyone have hands-on experience for at least a month?

Re: Moto 360

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Apple is more a fashion company than a tech company. Those who buy and use its products are primarily concerned with advertising the fact that they use Apple products - conspicuous consumption. It's no different from how Gucci or Prada owners make sure to prominently display the brand of their handbag when they are in public. It's a simple form of signaling your identity, that you belong to a particular group. This i…

Either you're a troll or you're delusional. Which is it? >Apple is more a fashion company than a tech company. Not even remotely accurate for possible definitions of either of those terms. >Those who buy and use its products are primarily concerned with advertising the fact that they use Apple products - conspicuous consumption. Oh really? You don't think it has anything to do with their excellent track record of har…

> You don't think it has anything to do with their excellent track record of hardware design, software design, reliability and usability?

Of course. It has to do with Apple's branding of "hardware design, software design, reliability and usability".

Just like G-Star advertises their clothing as "raw", while their jeans are actually quite flimsy and rip or tear easily.

Sure, they look pretty and well-fitted. Just like I would recommend my grandmother an iPad because I know it's well-designed and she'd have less trouble using it.

> >It's no different from how Gucci or Prada owners make sure to prominently display the brand of their handbag when they are in public.

> Yes, because Dell and HP laptops are completely devoid of physical branding...

You're proving his point here: It's not like other brands of handbags (or shoes) are completely devoid of physical branding either. Yet it's not like their owners are even aware of its brand, half the time.

In this context I'd sooner compare Apple products to Nike shoes, rather than the fashion "I have money to spend" signalling Gucci/Prada handbags.

Come on, the evolution of "brands as lifestyle + identity" has been around for at least 30 years now. You should know a thing or two about how it works. It's not really a disputed theory.

And you can't seriously deny that Apple isn't fighting along in the Big Brand mindshare arena just as much as Coca-Cola, Nike, Red Bull and Calvin Klein, in a sense that Dell, Asus or Lenovo are very much not. A quick litmus-test is whether they have a significant brand-identity that can be separated from their products (sometimes even more prominent than their actual core product, especially in the case of Coca-Cola or Red Bull).

> >It's a simple form of signaling your identity, that you belong to a particular group.

> Or it's because Apple products let productive people be productive.

See what you just did? Put Apple product users in the group of "productive people being productive"? :) Would you ever say something as generic about a Lenovo laptop? (which has excellent hardware and lets productive people be very productive) That's because Apple is a brand identity, over just being a brand of laptops. As if they're charged with a kind of "soul".

You don't have to consider it a bad thing, but I think it's important to at least be aware of these very real differences, because they do influence the way people act, behave and feel about their stuff. And it's nothing new, and it's nothing you can or should prevent, everyone is affected by these ideas to some extent, which is again why it's so important to be aware of it. Just don't deny it.

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