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Goodbye Gmail

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Re: Goodbye Gmail

#11
I made the same switch a couple years ago (GMail -> Fastmail) and have had the exact same (pleasant) experience. Fastmail is fast and has sane defaults, a powerful filtering system, and good spam detection. As a bonus, I don't have to worry about Google reading my email to show me relevant ads. I've gladly spent the money to have reliable, fast, standards-friendly email. The only thing they lack is two-step authentication.

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#12

I made the same switch a couple years ago (GMail -> Fastmail) and have had the exact same (pleasant) experience. Fastmail is fast and has sane defaults, a powerful filtering system, and good spam detection. As a bonus, I don't have to worry about Google reading my email to show me relevant ads. I've gladly spent the money to have reliable, fast, standards-friendly email. The only thing they lack is two-step authentic…

Yea - I was a bit hesitant but ended up making the switch anyways. It looks as if the other comment mentions that they do have it so I'll check it out.

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#13

I made the same switch a couple years ago (GMail -> Fastmail) and have had the exact same (pleasant) experience. Fastmail is fast and has sane defaults, a powerful filtering system, and good spam detection. As a bonus, I don't have to worry about Google reading my email to show me relevant ads. I've gladly spent the money to have reliable, fast, standards-friendly email. The only thing they lack is two-step authentic…

According to the Fastmail webpage, they do support (optional) two-factor authentication: https://www.fastmail.fm/signup/personal.html

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#15
post #8

I don't have any of this experience with GMail. Not saying it doesn't have flaws - but my experience is pretty great.

Sitting here thinking the same thing .. Can't say I've ever had performance issues or even a moments downtime whilst using gmail since it was launched. Is a paid vs. free solution even comparable? It's also a bit weird to compare the requests made on initial load considering these web pages are arguably meant to be kept open- but regardless, shouldn't the browser be caching these? I think a more fair & thorough compa…

I've always found Gmail reliable, but I've seen plenty of performance issues in the last year.

I now have personal email on Fastmail and work on Google Apps. The difference is quite striking. It'll take a good 20 seconds before all of Gmail is loaded, Fastmail loads in under one second. Gmail will easily take 300-400 MB of RAM in Chrome after a few hours, Fastmail is around 40-50MB.

Then there's clicking on emails. Once you've browsed for emails in Fastmail you'll understand why I thing Gmail is slow these days.

Also Fastmail's IMAP implementation is much more reliable.

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#17
I have about 12.5k messages in my inbox at FastMail, and another 26k in separate folder. Both inboxes load instantly, and the infinite scrolling is seamless. Jumping back-and-forth between message and list view is equally quick. While they currently lack features like a calendar, they do have a lot of powerful tools -- I have several domains and email accounts conditionally filing mail into several folders, with custom personalities/signatures when replying from each folder. Very happy with it, and the devs take bugs seriously whenever I message them. (To be fair, it's usually just UI edge cases.)

Edit: Just to quickly elaborate on the infinite scrolling: FastMail takes the total number of messages in a given folder and uses that to calculate the size of the viewport. When you scroll to a given position, it fires off a small AJAX request for just the messages that are in view. Since each message is a fixed height, it gives them a lot of flexibility for calculating what to show.

Also, FWIW, they do support message threading.

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#18
post #8

I don't have any of this experience with GMail. Not saying it doesn't have flaws - but my experience is pretty great.

Sitting here thinking the same thing .. Can't say I've ever had performance issues or even a moments downtime whilst using gmail since it was launched. Is a paid vs. free solution even comparable? It's also a bit weird to compare the requests made on initial load considering these web pages are arguably meant to be kept open- but regardless, shouldn't the browser be caching these? I think a more fair & thorough compa…

I have accounts on both gmail and fastmail, for different purposes.

Gmail has become bloated enough that it's really only usable on modern hardware. I have an older laptop I use when I travel (don't really care too much if it gets stolen, damaged, etc.) and gmail is painfully sluggish on it while Fastmail is still quite usable.

Fastmail has also, however, become more bloated than it used to be. I preferred their UI from a couple of years ago, but have grown to tolerate the current one.

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#19
Having made the switch to Fastmail a while ago, I agree with the comments - mostly.

While Fastmail is fantastic, it lacks the implementation polish of Gmail. Two-factor authentication is there, but not via a popup like on gmail. You have to enter it in the web-form. This is a hassle, because I use LastPass and it's a bit fiddly. Further, under Fastmail you create new logins in addition to the master account password. The new logins can have two-factor, but the master can't. So there is a small vulnerability in that at least one password without the protection of two-factor.

Secondly, the spam filters on Gmail are far better. Fastmail has got a bit better, but it's still worse when compared with Google's offering.

Thirdly, Fastmail costs. While I'm more than happy to pay, I doubt many people would switch services from a free to paid, just because it appeared to be slightly slower.

That said, I really love Fastmail. I'm more than happy to pay and I'm a very satisfied customer. I can't wait for the promised features of a calendar and I hope - one day - there'll be the ability to sync address books.

Re: Goodbye Gmail

#20
post #8

I don't have any of this experience with GMail. Not saying it doesn't have flaws - but my experience is pretty great.

Sitting here thinking the same thing .. Can't say I've ever had performance issues or even a moments downtime whilst using gmail since it was launched. Is a paid vs. free solution even comparable? It's also a bit weird to compare the requests made on initial load considering these web pages are arguably meant to be kept open- but regardless, shouldn't the browser be caching these? I think a more fair & thorough compa…

It very well may be isolated to a few people - my wife uses it without any issues and yet it's noticeably slow for me. I agree with you that the comparison isn't 100% valid but it was more of a proxy for how much crap Gmail loads - it will also continue to make additional requests through the session.

I think the code to integrate the other Google services is the problem for me - I don't need it and it clutters my experience.

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