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Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by CamperBob2 »

res0nat0r wrote: post #47
bigiain wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Illegal" in the same way that saying "No" to congress when the real answer was "Yes" is. Then later explaining that iw was "the least possible untruthful answer". The NSA have twisted their use of language - to try and claim that "recording phone calls of US citizens" isn't an illegal act until a human being listens to one of those recordings. I'm 99.999% sure that a "jury of peers" would not interpret the law that…

There is no evidence of the NSA recording phone calls of US citizens, that is just speculation.

The NSA doesn't have to record phone calls of US citizens. They just get one of the other Five Eyes countries to do it for them, in a quid pro quo arrangement that circumvents the inconvenient rule of law in several places at once.

You're carrying water for some seriously un-American people. The only reason you're not upset about it is that it doesn't seem to be affecting you, personally, at the moment.

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by dan_bk »

rdtsc wrote: post #12

Read foreign country as US here too. Basically they can record everything and a constitutionally defined "search" doesn't occur unless a human search and looks at the information. Binney and other were talking about this even long before Snowden. So what happens now, everything you do gets recorded, stored in their data center and kept for decades. As soon as you do anything they deem suspicious they might find you d…

> As soon as you do anything they deem suspicious they might find you downloaded strange foot fetish porn

At least long term, it's more like: As soon as you are a political opponent...

(Thinking back, General Petraeus' fatal love affair emails that surfaced suddenly may have been such an instance.)

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Post by dictum »

contingencies wrote: post #49
effdee wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have also been rumors about Amdocs [1] being kind of the Israeli counterpart. They do billing for telcos (i.e. determine who talked to whom for how long). The list of their customers is quite impressive. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdocs

These 'rumours' are more like an open secret inside the industry. Personally I have seen billing APIs at AT&T (US) and T-Mobile (US) which are semi-equivalent. For one of those, calls go straight to an Amdocs domain on an AS hosted outside of the carrier. Of course, few people will see these now since Google Play canned external billing APIs (removing most of the interest here) and most new projects choose to access…

> This and other sources concur: the Amdocs billing stuff's like cancer. Once they're in your network, you can't get rid of them

So I guess the possible Mossad connection is the only reason why SAP isn't buying Amdocs, then?

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by res0nat0r »

glitchdout wrote: post #46
res0nat0r wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence?

Here's your fucking evidence: The FBI had access to the Boston bombers phone calls. * http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs-july-dec1... (important part at 2:10) * http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telepho... I'll quote the slip up of Tim Clemente, a former FBI agent: > All digital communications are uh uh... There's a way to look at digital communications in the past. And I can't go i…

The FBI is tasked with cases on US soil involving US persons.

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by zaroth »

qwerta wrote: post #24

It says NSA only keeps 1 month of voice records. I think they store everything for couple of years, perhaps indefinitely. Storing all that voice is very cheap and is too juicy to let go. Also there were rumors about this recording for the past 30 years. GSM voice codec has rate 13 kbit/s. 6 billion people x 1 hour of talking per day = 6e9 x 3600 x 13/8 = 35 TB/day .

And you can even divide by 2, I assume it's 13 kbit/s for each conversation, not each party of the conversation.

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by glitchdout »

res0nat0r wrote: post #54
glitchdout wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's your fucking evidence: The FBI had access to the Boston bombers phone calls. * http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs-july-dec1... (important part at 2:10) * http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telepho... I'll quote the slip up of Tim Clemente, a former FBI agent: > All digital communications are uh uh... There's a way to look at digital communications in the past. And I can't go i…

The FBI is tasked with cases on US soil involving US persons.

How does that that give the FBI legitimacy to record phone calls of US citizens?

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by res0nat0r »

glitchdout wrote: post #56
res0nat0r wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI is tasked with cases on US soil involving US persons.

How does that that give the FBI legitimacy to record phone calls of US citizens?

Ever hear about the mafia and RICO laws? It is 100% legal to listen to phone conversations with a warrant. If you have evidence of wholesale FBI phone call collection and eavesdropping I'd love to see it.

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by glitchdout »

res0nat0r wrote: post #57
glitchdout wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that that give the FBI legitimacy to record phone calls of US citizens?

Ever hear about the mafia and RICO laws? It is 100% legal to listen to phone conversations with a warrant. If you have evidence of wholesale FBI phone call collection and eavesdropping I'd love to see it.

I already linked you the evidence in my previous post. Stop being purposely obtuse. At this point you just seem to be part of another NSA program. [1]

I'll just quote the lead:

> The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

And more recently, GCHQ's JTRIG program. [2]

Again, I'll quote:

> (The core self-identified purposes of JTRIG is to) use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable

[1]: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-ope...

[2]: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipula...

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Post by csandreasen »

rdtsc wrote: post #12

Read foreign country as US here too. Basically they can record everything and a constitutionally defined "search" doesn't occur unless a human search and looks at the information. Binney and other were talking about this even long before Snowden. So what happens now, everything you do gets recorded, stored in their data center and kept for decades. As soon as you do anything they deem suspicious they might find you d…

If the country that this article was referring to was the US, do you really think that Barton Gellman would let a scoop go like that?

I'm sure the first response will be something alluding to the US government secretly threatening the author if he revealed this, to which I would preemptively point out that this is the same man who has yet to receive any legal indictment and continues to walk the streets freely after revealing the PRISM program last year.

Re: NSA surveillance program reaches ‘into the past’ to retrieve, replay phone calls

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Post by res0nat0r »

glitchdout wrote: post #58
res0nat0r wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever hear about the mafia and RICO laws? It is 100% legal to listen to phone conversations with a warrant. If you have evidence of wholesale FBI phone call collection and eavesdropping I'd love to see it.

I already linked you the evidence in my previous post. Stop being purposely obtuse. At this point you just seem to be part of another NSA program. [1] I'll just quote the lead: > The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda. And more recently, GCHQ's JTRIG program. [2]…

That is illegal? I see propaganda every time I flip by Fox News.
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