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Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

#81

Post by pygy_ » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 4:55 PM UTC

lhorie wrote: post #66

Hi, Mithril's author here. I'll just put a big comment here, and hopefully everyone can see it. @stronglikedan: I don't have plans for extending the core (in fact, keeping it small and modular is a major focus point for me). I do have a list of things I want to tackle next (see the roadmap page), but I'll most likely release them separately from core. @hcho: re: integrating w/ jQuery: see the integrating w/ other lib…

> thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate :)

Well, thanks for the framework :)

Apparently, you missed my (now deleted) question:

> It would be nice if you could document the browser requirements.

We're even, since I had missed the answer, which lies at the very end of the misc section of the documentation:

> Mithril allows developers to support browsers all the way back to IE6 and Blackberry.

Wow! This should IMO be on the home page.

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Edit: Is it possible, for SEO, to load Mithril with a pre-rendered page and have it take over like React?

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by killertypo » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 4:58 PM UTC

just a bit of a nitpick, but your getting started page uses the word "performant" http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38945/what-is-wro...

the debate around the word just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. after reading arguments from both sides I would tend to agree: until the word is a word, it just sounds like marketing buzzword garbage.

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by ulisesrmzroche » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 4:58 PM UTC

tzaman wrote: post #15

I don't mean this in a bad way, but do we really need another Javascript framework? Wouldn't author's energy be more useful when contributing to one of the existing ones?

Anyone who wants to make my coding life easier has my full support. If you think you got something that's gonna change things, I wanna see it.

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by _dark_matter_ » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 4:59 PM UTC

markovbling wrote: post #49

your "getting started" page is like a crash course in building websites with javascript - just forwarded it to a bunch of friends it felt like you were giving a smart person a crash course in javascript wish more apps sturctured their tutorials like this great job! One thing: it feels like it's aimed at people who are already competent at javascript but your tutorial isn't too many steps away from a being solid "java…

why don't you

use some punctuation and

not separate your thoughts out on different lines?

Not trying to be mean, this is just hard(er) to read!

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by lutusp » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:06 PM UTC

killertypo wrote: post #82

just a bit of a nitpick, but your getting started page uses the word "performant" http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38945/what-is-wro... the debate around the word just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. after reading arguments from both sides I would tend to agree: until the word is a word, it just sounds like marketing buzzword garbage.

> ... until the word is a word, it just sounds like marketing buzzword garbage.

Fair enough, but remember that a word becomes a word simply by usage, not by edict. The old Webster's rule was that, if a word appeared in ten recognized publications with a consistent meaning, it (the word and the definition) would be included in the next edition of the dictionary. I'm sure there's a similar rule in play today.

The fluid and pragmatic nature of words and their meanings can be gauged by noting that "literally" and "figuratively" now mean the same thing:

Link: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

Quote:

1 : in a literal sense or manner : actually

2 : in effect : virtually

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

#86

Post by JetSpiegel » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:06 PM UTC

nawitus wrote: post #77

JetSpiegel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has reached the point where Javascript Framework coders don't know Javascript. Looks like Javascript IS the Assembly of the Web.

But DOM is separate from JavaScript.

Only theoretically.

Javascript is a way to manipulate the DOM, no matter whan those nutters who run it on servers say.

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

#87

Post by JetSpiegel » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:10 PM UTC

markovbling wrote: post #49

your "getting started" page is like a crash course in building websites with javascript - just forwarded it to a bunch of friends it felt like you were giving a smart person a crash course in javascript wish more apps sturctured their tutorials like this great job! One thing: it feels like it's aimed at people who are already competent at javascript but your tutorial isn't too many steps away from a being solid "java…

Not

astroturfing

AT ALL

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by matthiasak » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:20 PM UTC

tiny, small, idiomatic javascript;

uses POJOs; has just enough 'binding'; uses routing and basic promise/A+ implementation.

I'd say this is good and as high level as one should go if they want to churn really good performance out of an app.

Keep it coming mate, and link with me on Twitter. I used a number of micro frameworks and my own glue to make my own mini-framework using much of the same concepts, only I used a templating engine called doT instead of declaring my HTML structure in JS (although I know it is easily possible to generate view code with a tool/script with HTML as input).

@matthiasak mkeas dot org

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by rimantas » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:24 PM UTC

tzaman wrote: post #15

I don't mean this in a bad way, but do we really need another Javascript framework? Wouldn't author's energy be more useful when contributing to one of the existing ones?

That's the reason why I just shake my head every time I hear "HTML5 will overtake native for mobile apps anyday now". They still fight over what is the best MVC framework and have no idea what native offers. When did you last saw Android or iOS dev worried which MVC framework should they use, or maybe write their own?

Re: Show HN: My new JavaScript MVC framework

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Post by nollidge » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:52 PM UTC

killertypo wrote: post #82

just a bit of a nitpick, but your getting started page uses the word "performant" http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38945/what-is-wro... the debate around the word just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. after reading arguments from both sides I would tend to agree: until the word is a word, it just sounds like marketing buzzword garbage.

That SE page is 2 years old. Also, "performant" doesn't have any great synonyms, so unless there's a strong risk of being misunderstood (unlikely in this context), there's no reason not to use it.