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Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by rachellaw » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 4:53 AM UTC

bradleyjg wrote: post #148

rachellaw wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can do it using O-3 visa, its the same classification as an O-1 but of a different type. Assuming they incorporated the startup, and then immediately received funding and started visa process (in that order) they can use percentage points (from zero to +++ whatever investment they received) as part of their case. USCIS is more interested in profit/revenue than any other metric.

O-3 visas are issued to the spouse and children of O-1 visa holders. Did you mean something else? http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers...

I remember O-1 visas had several types, it's the O-1B visa

http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers...

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by cenhyperion » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:16 AM UTC

>If founders from elsewhere want to pay taxes and create jobs in the US, we should let them.

Spot on.

>This is just a start. We are also in need of broad-based immigration reform, and I believe more immigrants will help our country.

This is really what needs to happen. Shameless plug, I'm on the code squad at http://fwd.us and this is what we're trying to do.

I think Sam is doing great work advocating to bring more founders here to the U.S.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by teacup50 » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 5:59 AM UTC

cwilson wrote: post #150

thatthatis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deliberately? I generally ascribe to the camp that says: when the majority or a large portion of the audience misinterprets what is being said, the problem lies not with with readers but with the author. Perhaps it is you who mis-wrote not us who mis-read. What you wrote came off as incredibly arrogant. Especially with your recent promotion.

Incredibly arrogant? Really? Sorry, but you're definitely mis-reading that one and you've clearly never met Sam.

"I do think that investors should get a say in who gets startup visas. This is no different than universities, big companies, or even the people who give out Oscars ..."

Shoe fits.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by suyash » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 6:01 AM UTC

leccine wrote: post #23

Sam Altman's assumption is that the US government reasonable. :)

And that they would pay attention to a YC blog post :P

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by tricolon » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 6:24 AM UTC

bradleyjg wrote: post #55

tricolon wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That USCIS guide is strange... it lists H1B only under "Nonimmigrant Visas" even though the H1B is dual-intent.

The H1B is a nonimmigrant visa. All dual intent means is that it doesn't violate the terms of entry if you also intend to pursue permanent residence at the same time -- but the H1B itself does not lead to permanent residence.

Thanks for the clarification.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by sbisker » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 6:37 AM UTC

teacup50 wrote: post #96

sama wrote: post #83

People seem to be trying to deliberately misunderstand my point. 1) I don't think this should just be for YC. I'm just volunteering to beta test it. I think we are very likely to show success, which would hopefully open it much more broadly. But I'd be very happy to do it together with other investors from the beginning. I feel that in general investors (YC included) are not doing enough to push this issue. 2) I do t…

> 1) I don't think this should just be for YC. I'm just volunteering to beta test it. This gives you a massive advantage compared to those of us who aren't VCs and can't beta test it -- or founders that want to launch a company here, but lack your blessing. > But I'd be very happy to do it together with other investors from the beginning. I feel that in general investors (YC included) are not doing enough to push thi…

>Additionally, the relationship between the visa sponsor and the applying individual in those circumstances is far, far, far less one-sided than it would be between potential founder and stake-holding VC.

I actually disagree with this statement - but agree with your point. There's a reason why mediocre colleges can successfully charge exorbitant amounts of money to rich international students, and it's not just the student:teacher ratio. The student visa and OPT in the US are extremely powerful tools which universities have both used and abused for many years.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by bsder » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 6:40 AM UTC

No. No visas. If we want these people, give them a green card.

I'm tired of watching the games around immigrant visas.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by azifali » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 7:01 AM UTC

I am not sure why YC should get the opportunity to get 100 entrepreneurs get startup visas.

Why not open the level playing field and allow ANY entrepreneur to get such a visa? There are plenty of Dropbox / Airbnb companies that are getting built, going public or getting sold outside of YC.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by NextUserName » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 7:01 AM UTC

Visas? you are talking about bringing in people from other countries to start companies here right? Is this because there is not enough founders born in the US? Wow, I go to a coffee shop in bay area and everyone there assumes that I am some kind of startup founder. Everyone is talking about their company they started and asks their neighbors what they are founding. IT is really quite annoying. We really need more of this? I guess the more that is thrown against the wall, the more has a chance of sticking huh? What about those imports who make it, thwarting the native born competitor's company by a small margin? Now you have hurt the native for a ever so slightly better product or perhaps one that just made it to market slightly earlier. 10,000 more startups a year than now? Really? This can't be good.

Re: The Founder Visa (again)

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Post by trustfundbaby » Tue, Mar 18, 2014, 7:27 AM UTC

How about just giving them a visa if they can secure VC funding in the United States enough to support them in their efforts for a year or two.

Also reforming the h1b visa might help, since most immigrants are highly motivated to start their own businesses ... allowing h1bs more easily start businesses (currently you have to have someone, an American citizen, have some sort of controlling interest in your business for it to be a viable means of employment), have time after losing a job to find another one (currently you have to leave immediately after you're fired/laid off).