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America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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And maybe we could do something about our policing problem at the same time... What, with using national (military) spying apparatus to go after drug dealers, police seizing assets from private citizens who they often don't accuse of a crime, the rampant militarization of domestic police forces...

Well, it's nice to dream.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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America has a prison industrial complex and corrupt justice system problem. There wouldn't be black markets for drugs if we stopped jailing people for victimless crimes to begin with. No victimless crime should result in criminal charges. Going to jail should never be a possibility when there's no victim.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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And maybe we could do something about our policing problem at the same time... What, with using national (military) spying apparatus to go after drug dealers, police seizing assets from private citizens who they often don't accuse of a crime, the rampant militarization of domestic police forces... Well, it's nice to dream.

Every cop should be required to were a gopro on their chest. Anyone who has any encounter with a cop should have protected rights to access and review that video as material evidence in their case.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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post #3

America has a prison industrial complex and corrupt justice system problem. There wouldn't be black markets for drugs if we stopped jailing people for victimless crimes to begin with. No victimless crime should result in criminal charges. Going to jail should never be a possibility when there's no victim.

1. Can everyone come to an agreement about what counts as a victim?

2. Maybe no victimless crime should result in jail time, but there are a lot of penalties for "victimless" crimes (tax evasion, illegal production of controlled substances) that justly result in fines.

EDIT: OK. I typed too quickly with the child support bit. In retrospect, that was a bad example. I also added scare quotes to emphasize that justice can be served in criminal court even if nobody goes to jail.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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TFA lets the general off too easily. Sure, he's not the one who originally decided to waste our lives and resources on prohibition, but he does exhibit the typical officer-class moar is bettar antithinking. If you replace the 10' fence with a 20' fence, they'll just bring a longer ladder. If you deploy more helicopters, they'll change tactics so that helicopters aren't so effective. In the meantime, the taxpayer has purchased a bunch of unnecessary helicopters. I'm sure that's good for someone.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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post #4

And maybe we could do something about our policing problem at the same time... What, with using national (military) spying apparatus to go after drug dealers, police seizing assets from private citizens who they often don't accuse of a crime, the rampant militarization of domestic police forces... Well, it's nice to dream.

Every cop should be required to were a gopro on their chest. Anyone who has any encounter with a cop should have protected rights to access and review that video as material evidence in their case.

... then maybe people will realise how unfairly vilified the police are, and what a tough job it actually is.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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post #4

And maybe we could do something about our policing problem at the same time... What, with using national (military) spying apparatus to go after drug dealers, police seizing assets from private citizens who they often don't accuse of a crime, the rampant militarization of domestic police forces... Well, it's nice to dream.

Every cop should be required to were a gopro on their chest. Anyone who has any encounter with a cop should have protected rights to access and review that video as material evidence in their case.

... then maybe people will realise how unfairly vilified the police are, and what a tough job it actually is.

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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post #3

America has a prison industrial complex and corrupt justice system problem. There wouldn't be black markets for drugs if we stopped jailing people for victimless crimes to begin with. No victimless crime should result in criminal charges. Going to jail should never be a possibility when there's no victim.

1. Can everyone come to an agreement about what counts as a victim? 2. Maybe no victimless crime should result in jail time, but there are a lot of penalties for "victimless" crimes (tax evasion, illegal production of controlled substances) that justly result in fines. EDIT: OK. I typed too quickly with the child support bit. In retrospect, that was a bad example. I also added scare quotes to emphasize that justice c…

There is a victim when child support is not provided: the child(ren).

Re: America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem

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post #3

America has a prison industrial complex and corrupt justice system problem. There wouldn't be black markets for drugs if we stopped jailing people for victimless crimes to begin with. No victimless crime should result in criminal charges. Going to jail should never be a possibility when there's no victim.

1. Can everyone come to an agreement about what counts as a victim? 2. Maybe no victimless crime should result in jail time, but there are a lot of penalties for "victimless" crimes (tax evasion, illegal production of controlled substances) that justly result in fines. EDIT: OK. I typed too quickly with the child support bit. In retrospect, that was a bad example. I also added scare quotes to emphasize that justice c…

I said should never result in jail or criminal charges; civil courts should handle such issues. However, not paying support has a clear victim, the mother and child that have to do without what they legally have a right to. Ditto for tax evasion, you're robbing your fellow citizens.
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