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Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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I'm guessing he doesn't work on the Maps app, or Siri. Apologies for the snark but when you're playing at this level and talking big talk about how great your products are, you gotta back it up.

No one will seriously argue against the superior build quality of Apple devices. Siri has way to go but Maps is almost there so soon there will be no point in giving your data to Google.

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I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

> servile and sycophantic If one applies the typical standards of high school English to this article, asking "What is it trying to communicate?" "What is someone trying to tell me?" etc., one will be left very empty. It's a puff piece, inflating a corporate celebrity. All of the text is designed to persuade you that "yes, indeed, this man surely is impressive. Yes, this company is impressive." With all that gleaming…

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Sooooooooo... "We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them." I am certainly a big believer in "giving a damn" about design and code. I completely believe that people "feel" the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ev…

Honestly, I think Apple makes stellar products (I won't use them because of IP issues, but they're still incredible produts) but talk like that - claiming your competition doesn't give a crap and is just throwing shoddy goods out the door? It reeks of desperation. Android has its faults, but it would be absurd to say that Google doesn't care about the platform. The Nexus line itself demonstrates that they want these…

Exaggeration perhaps, but hardly desperation. The thing is Google and many of the Android device manufacturers really do thow shoddy goods out the door. not always, not every product, not every time, but embarrassingly often. Anyone remember the first generation Google TV boxes with unusable UIs in which vital controls would be completely hidden by other UI elements, rendering the whole thing essentially unusable? Even in the official unveiling demo they hit problems like that. Or the big push for Flash on Android in which, during the launch presentation, ever single attempt to run Flash lead to a crash and system lockup? Good times. Then there was the early nexus 7, with crippled flash memory drivers that led to chronic system performance degradation that they didn't fix for a whole year.

Of course eventually some issues like this get fixed. The first few products may be duds, but the 3rd or 4th iteration might be quite good, and the fifth might be fantastic. Of course that's where these companies want to get to. But meanwhile how many thousands of customers bought the first few versions? Who's standing up for them?

Sure Apple can bring out duds too, products that fail to take off, or have serious limitations. Some of the early Macbook Airs couldn't play full-screen video properly, but at least they could play video. When was the last time Apple brought out a product that was truly unfit for purpose?

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Sooooooooo... "We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them." I am certainly a big believer in "giving a damn" about design and code. I completely believe that people "feel" the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ev…

Honestly, I think Apple makes stellar products (I won't use them because of IP issues, but they're still incredible produts) but talk like that - claiming your competition doesn't give a crap and is just throwing shoddy goods out the door? It reeks of desperation. Android has its faults, but it would be absurd to say that Google doesn't care about the platform. The Nexus line itself demonstrates that they want these…

It's like TV-shop. They always compare their product side to side with "other products", where "other products" is always the most low-end equivalent you can image.

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I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

Anything public from a multi-billion corporation is expected to be "servile and sycophantic".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think Apple makes stellar products (I won't use them because of IP issues, but they're still incredible produts) but talk like that - claiming your competition doesn't give a crap and is just throwing shoddy goods out the door? It reeks of desperation. Android has its faults, but it would be absurd to say that Google doesn't care about the platform. The Nexus line itself demonstrates that they want these…

It's like TV-shop. They always compare their product side to side with "other products" , where "other products" is always the most low-end equivalent you can image.

Now I want to see a bad informercial for an iPhone with hilarious videos of people fumbling with $40 resistive knock-off Chinese android phones a-la http://reddit.com/r/wheredidthesodago

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"We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn." Surely he's not talking about the headphones supplied with iDevices.

I actually really liked the previous-generation Apple earphones -- decent sound-quality, while also letting in lots of outside noise, which makes them safe-ish when used on the street. The latest generation sadly (and ironically) doesn't fit in my ear. So far, when I see someone trashing Apple headphones, they go on to recommend something which forms a tight-seal in the ear -- without a doubt better sounding, but rea…

IEMs (in-ear monitors, the earbuds which form a seal in the ear) are actually safer to use. The admission of background noise encourages users to turn up the volume, risking damage to their hearing, especially in loud environments where one is bound to use earphones (like subway trains).

Me, I take one earbud out when I am in an area that requires auditory attention to my surroundings.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple's communications are borderline dismissive to people who are less fortunate and less lucky I'd agree if we were in a 3rd world country somewhere, but we (probably both) aren't. People who need to save $200 on a tablet where we live very likely do not need said tablet at all. In the end we just often buy inferior products (in design, functionality and longevity) in order to be able to purchase a larger total n…

On the other hand, my ASUS tablet I bought over two years ago, the first generation of its kind, still works as well as it did then, which is pretty damn good, while the macbook pro I was inflicted with for work crashes regularly (as in "spinning rainbow/beachball of doom my screen is frozen I have to hard-reset" crashes). But that sleek aluminum case sure looks nice (to some--to me it looks a bit like its trying too…

If your MacBook Pro has less than 8 GB RAM, I'd upgrade. Also, your hard drive may be about to crash.
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