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Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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I feel like this headline is terribly irresponsible. People with mental health issues suffer from a stigma associated with them, as well as denial of their suffering. Going out with both guns blazing to say their condition does not exist - not that it's a symptom of a larger problem, or that it's a gross oversimplification of a number of unrelated diseases, but instead the crude headline "doesn't exist" - that only m…

It sells.

Do you have an alternative? Do we regulate what the news is allowed to say? How do we prevent such poor quality journalism?

News is entertainment (sadly, and mostly worthless), expecting it to be anything else these days is foolish.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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I feel like this headline is terribly irresponsible. People with mental health issues suffer from a stigma associated with them, as well as denial of their suffering. Going out with both guns blazing to say their condition does not exist - not that it's a symptom of a larger problem, or that it's a gross oversimplification of a number of unrelated diseases, but instead the crude headline "doesn't exist" - that only m…

Saying that a certain medical condition doesn't exist isn't a denial of the suffering of people who suffer, it's a denial of the label that's been placed on that suffering.

As long as an attack on bad science continues to be interpreted by a segment of sufferers as a personal attack, sufferers groups will never exist as anything other than tools for drug companies to subvert the scientific process.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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Pretty funny. Just yesterday I was at Barnes and Noble checking out some Malcolm Gladwell books in the psychology section and right next to them was a book with the title ADHD Does Not Exist. I didn't get a chance to take a peek at it because I was too occupied reading the first couple of pages from Gladwell's Blink which was pretty captivating.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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> "It’s time to rethink our understanding of this condition, offer more thorough diagnostic work, and help people get the right treatment for attention deficit and hyperactivity." What condition? Doesn't the title say this condition doesn't exist? This article is just trying to sell his book. Besides the fact that qEEG has shown differences in activity in adults that identify with having ADHD.

He isn't denying that ADHD doesn't exist but instead he is saying that it exists as a symptom of other ailments. His title is a bit inflammatory, but that doesn't disprove his argument. The article is much better than you are giving it credit for.

> but that doesn't disprove his argument

His argument is ridiculous. ADHD is defined as symptoms and we don't have a full understanding of the underlying cause. Everyone knows that the drug treatment only treats the symptoms. If his argument is that we are only treating the symptoms then he hasn't added any knowledge. If he knows the "cure" why doesn't he make the claim: "I know how to cure ADHD?"

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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This article is so potentially harmful, even if it's more nuanced than the hyperbolic "ADHD Doesn't Exist" title would suggest.

The reality is that -- whatever the underlying cause -- a lot of people struggle with attention span issues, and that these issues cause a lot of pain and unfulfilled potential.

Even if ADHD medications are overprescribed Band-Aids, people benefit from them. We should try and find better diagnoses and treatments, but it makes no sense to blast people by telling them their condition "doesn't exist."

If I have one complaint about the way we treat ADHD it's a lack of education for patients. The medication is only one part of the solution and in my personal experience it's nowhere near the biggest piece. Diet, environment, sleep, and exercise are just as crucial... but these are things I figured out on my own, not anything my doctors mentioned.

  Firstly, addiction to stimulant medication is not 
  rare; it is common. The drugs’ addictive qualities 
  are obvious. We only need to observe the many patients
  who are forced to periodically increase their dosage if   
  they want to concentrate. 
This true but disingenuous at best because it omits perspective in a way that borders on maliciousness. Adderall causes only a very mild dependence according to all studies I've ever read. The FDA and my personal experiences agree. I've discontinued my Adderall on a number of occasions (by responsibly tapering it down to 0mg over several days) and it was no problem.

To compare it to something most of us are familiar with: I found Adderall much easier to discontinue than caffeine, a thing I've never been able to quit. (I've never smoked, so I can't compare with nicotine)

And to all those who say ADHD is a matter of "willpower..."

Maybe. For some.

I always told myself that too. I was born in 1976 so I went through school here in the USA right before they started diagnosing ADHD left and right and I was labeled a procrastinator instead. I never even really heard of ADHD until I was out of school.

After four years in college, which were a mix of promise and opportunities torpedoed by procrastination, I worked 10, 12, 14-hour days to finish work that I was more than talented enough to finish in 5 or 6 hours. My happiness suffered, health suffered, and relationships died.

Then I finally admitted that maybe it was a little more than a willpower issue. If it a matter of lacking willpower, why was I at the damn office trying to work long after everybody else had left? Whatever the hell my problem was, it wasn't work ethic.

So I sought treatment... at the age of 32. And while medication was only an imperfect yet valuable part of the solution, my life has been on track again for a number of years.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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Horse shit.

There's lots of very well-vetted science supporting the problem of ADHD and attention span disorders. Ditto for the pharmaceutical interventions that are the main-line treatment for them (amphetamine is one of the most well-studied drugs in existence).

Sad to see Time sinking to clickbait headlining.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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I feel like this headline is terribly irresponsible. People with mental health issues suffer from a stigma associated with them, as well as denial of their suffering. Going out with both guns blazing to say their condition does not exist - not that it's a symptom of a larger problem, or that it's a gross oversimplification of a number of unrelated diseases, but instead the crude headline "doesn't exist" - that only m…

> Unless you have a better idea how to treat it

Actually, if you read the article until the end, it proposes a better idea to treat it: Do not lump together all the conditions that lead to the symptoms together. Treat them as individual conditions with different causes and administer appropriate treatment - don't just hand them pills because it's simple.

I sincerely doubt that stimulants are the best treatment we can give those people. They may help in the short term, but they're highly addictive and your body develops a tolerance. What are you going to do once those people are tolerant to medication? Wave your hand in the air, tell them "bad luck, you developed a tolerance, now have a nice day". Medication may be required in some cases, but it's often only the beginning of a treatment. You need to solve or at least tackle the complex problem to really help them - and assigning a simple label doesn't always help.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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The article is dangerously mistitled.

That multiple actual mental health conditions exist that all have been labeled ADHD is well known by the research community. There are multiple causative factors that can lead to ADHD symptoms, and what have traditionally been referred to as different subtypes of ADHD respond to different types of treatment.

This is hardly news! It is also where there are multiple treatment strategies for ADHD, until we get a better naming scheme in place (and make no mistake, the lack of proper names impacts both communication and how we think about the problem), we are stuck with using the catch all term ADHD. (Though some people have split into using ADHD-PI from primarily inattentive, it often doesn't respond to stimulant treatment at all.)

Now I fundamentally disagree with the author's final assertion that "everyone is misdiagnosed" is pure BS.

Primary evidence is that there are structural brain differences in people who have ADHD. The portion of the brain responsible for self control is dramatically smaller. Arguing that "it isn't real" when there is literally missing brain matter is disingenuous at best.

Next up, people with untreated ADHD have THREE TIMES the rates of auto accidents.

Now, maybe, just maybe, ADHD isn't real at all, and instead psychologists have spent their time and energy coming up with the best auto insurance risk test ever!

But I doubt it.

Re: Doctor: ADHD, as currently defined, does not exist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He isn't denying that ADHD doesn't exist but instead he is saying that it exists as a symptom of other ailments. His title is a bit inflammatory, but that doesn't disprove his argument. The article is much better than you are giving it credit for.

> but that doesn't disprove his argument His argument is ridiculous. ADHD is defined as symptoms and we don't have a full understanding of the underlying cause. Everyone knows that the drug treatment only treats the symptoms. If his argument is that we are only treating the symptoms then he hasn't added any knowledge. If he knows the "cure" why doesn't he make the claim: "I know how to cure ADHD?"

He can't "cure ADHD" because it is a symptom of many different things. He has to diagnose the patient and determine the underlying cause. He gave a list of potential causes that included vision problems, iron deficiency, and sleep problems. I imagine each of these have their own cure which in turn fixes the symptoms of ADHD. You are implying that ADHD only has a single cause, the author is disagreeing with you.
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