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Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by bananas »

dilap wrote: post #17
T-zex wrote: post #4

"We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn." Surely he's not talking about the headphones supplied with iDevices.

I actually really liked the previous-generation Apple earphones -- decent sound-quality, while also letting in lots of outside noise, which makes them safe-ish when used on the street. The latest generation sadly (and ironically) doesn't fit in my ear. So far, when I see someone trashing Apple headphones, they go on to recommend something which forms a tight-seal in the ear -- without a doubt better sounding, but rea…

Safe outside? Big white arrow pointing to something expensive in your pocket!

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by _djo_ »

woobar wrote: post #37
mrcwinn wrote: post #2

Sooooooooo... "We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them." I am certainly a big believer in "giving a damn" about design and code. I completely believe that people "feel" the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ev…

So maybe Kia should go for it: spend millions of dollars per year and put together the best design shop the industry has ever known! Design an incredible new studio for them to work in. Interesting that you used KIA for this example. Several years ago they hired celebrity designer - Peter Schreyer, responsible for Audi TT and New Beetle - to do just that. And current KIAs are much better designed and still cheapest c…

This is an important and oft-ignored point: South Korean car manufacturers like Kia invested a huge amount of money to both improve quality and to put design at the forefront of new vehicle developments, all in order to beat more established manufacturers. It has proven a successful strategy.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by qzc4 »

doktrin wrote: post #23

I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic. For instance : > "...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy." > "...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them.." > "...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it." Seriously? > "... It looks like all the other dull, un-App…

Just reading the first sentence was enough for me. Apple has a good enough marketing team already; they don't need to have Time Magazine do this. I think this article is a bad idea for Apple's PR in general. I'm not even sure what they are trying to accomplish. They praise his "humility" in the subtitle text, and then go on to say all these things. Incredibly stupid.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by qzc4 »

wmeredith wrote: post #40
chillingeffect wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> servile and sycophantic If one applies the typical standards of high school English to this article, asking "What is it trying to communicate?" "What is someone trying to tell me?" etc., one will be left very empty. It's a puff piece, inflating a corporate celebrity. All of the text is designed to persuade you that "yes, indeed, this man surely is impressive. Yes, this company is impressive." With all that gleaming…

Time has been circling the drain for a while. This is another beat of the same tune.

Journalism in general. They've figured out it's more profitable to say something made-up, pretty sounding, and fake than to actually report the news.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by noir_lord »

> The final straw came one rainy day when he drove to Hull to present his design for a new hand basin and toilet for ideal Standard.

I was born and have lived in Hull all my life and that sounds about right, in fairness the boss wearing a red nose for a charity day isn't that big a deal.

> boss lampooned his work as too modern and too expensive to build — while wearing a giant plastic red nose.

I suspect it contained a few more epithets than that.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by Iftheshoefits »

lazyjones wrote: post #8
mrcwinn wrote: post #2

Sooooooooo... "We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them." I am certainly a big believer in "giving a damn" about design and code. I completely believe that people "feel" the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ev…

> Apple's communications are borderline dismissive to people who are less fortunate and less lucky I'd agree if we were in a 3rd world country somewhere, but we (probably both) aren't. People who need to save $200 on a tablet where we live very likely do not need said tablet at all. In the end we just often buy inferior products (in design, functionality and longevity) in order to be able to purchase a larger total n…

On the other hand, my ASUS tablet I bought over two years ago, the first generation of its kind, still works as well as it did then, which is pretty damn good, while the macbook pro I was inflicted with for work crashes regularly (as in "spinning rainbow/beachball of doom my screen is frozen I have to hard-reset" crashes). But that sleek aluminum case sure looks nice (to some--to me it looks a bit like its trying too hard to be some kind of futuristic/industrial hybrid).

I have got some news for you: the quality of parts in your Apple products isn't significantly better than those in its competitors, because they are from the same sources over in east Asia.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by noir_lord »

mrcwinn wrote: post #2

Sooooooooo... "We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them." I am certainly a big believer in "giving a damn" about design and code. I completely believe that people "feel" the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ev…

There is a principle in design (it probably has a name) that a highly designed product can be polarising to end consumers.

The goal is sometimes to make a product no one hates rather than a product half the market adores and the other half hate.

A £16,000 car is (usually) a primarily utilitarian purchase so a strong polarising design ethic is somewhat risky, We are not talking about Bugatti Veyrons or even BMW M5's.

Re: Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

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Post by qzc4 »

bananas wrote: post #39
qzc4 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see much wrong with them, other than the new backwards scrolling, disappearing scrollbars and rubberbanding. I use the Magic Mouse, which to me feels pretty nice. The only trouble I have really had is that they're crap for gaming. Then again, I don't touch my mouse very often.

Magic mouse (I own one): goes flat after only a month, nips your fingers at the sides when you press it, bottom keeps falling off, makes your hands hurt. Mighty mouse (I owned one): ball that stopped working instantly when you used it and the only way to get it clean involved destroying the mouse. Pro mouse (I owned one): cable frayed after no less than two weeks. Apple USB puck mouse: just totally unusable pile of c…

For the Mighty Mouse you just need to kind of turn it upside down and roll it on a piece of paper to clean it out. But I guess you're right, the only time I really use a mouse for an extended period of time is when browsing the internet or in one of the crappy IntelliJ things which don't seem to even allow you to close a tab with the keyboard. Apple mice are bad, but I guess I meant that my experience hasn't been significantly worse with them than with other mice. But maybe I'm just an apple fanboy :(
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