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Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#101

Post by TuringTest »

Aardwolf wrote: post #73
pinaceae wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

his frustration stems from the fact that even after at least 50 years of software development the handling of number formatting (and add in dates for fun) is still something where time and time again software developers fuck up. it is amazing, all those CS and other courses and still every new generation of (predominantly) US developers discover the fact that there is a world outside the US. the most dominant data po…

Impossible to easily solve programatically. E.g. 400,123: what is it? You cannot know unambiguously. And using OS language settings won't help either. Im from Europe but would not want to require using "," for the decimal separator enforced by OS settings, or anything related to programming or communicating with people on the Internet would become difficult. I'd much rather have just everyone use the same convention…

Or you could include these regional conventions in the character encoding, so that each file knows how it represent its numbers, and enforce them consistently throughout applications.

That would be a easy programmatic way to solve the problem, that wouldn't require the whole world to adopt a single standard. But of course it'll never happen, as it would require that all programmers know their shit and follow good practices, when it's much easier to throw the technical debt onto users and let them cope with the problem.

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#102

Post by j_camarena »

lutusp wrote: post #95
yetanotherphd wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I only need to point out the many companies that don't pay dividends and yet are widely accepted as investments. Your logical error is in assuming that if a company that pays no dividends now is considered a good investment, then that must mean that investors don't care if that company never pays dividends. On the contrary, investors don't care if Google pays dividends now , because every dollar Google doesn't pay a…

> Your logical error is in assuming that if a company that pays no dividends now is considered a good investment, then that must mean that investors don't care if that company never pays dividends. That is not a logical error, it is an uncontroversial fact. In point of fact, investors DO NOT CARE whether a company pays dividends, as long as their capital grows. Do you really think people who invest in Berkshire Hatha…

In theory they must "pay dividends", thats any tine except for infinite, otherwise stocks would be worthless. Its not that hard to get it.

Its like "ideal systems" in physics, they jjdt exist in theory but pretty much are fundamental,

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#103

Post by Aardwolf »

TuringTest wrote: post #101
Aardwolf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impossible to easily solve programatically. E.g. 400,123: what is it? You cannot know unambiguously. And using OS language settings won't help either. Im from Europe but would not want to require using "," for the decimal separator enforced by OS settings, or anything related to programming or communicating with people on the Internet would become difficult. I'd much rather have just everyone use the same convention…

Or you could include these regional conventions in the character encoding, so that each file knows how it represent its numbers, and enforce them consistently throughout applications. That would be a easy programmatic way to solve the problem, that wouldn't require the whole world to adopt a single standard. But of course it'll never happen, as it would require that all programmers know their shit and follow good pra…

It would require to adopt a single standard, that is, how to encode that in the character encoding and the files. And it would still not stop someone from in the same browser for example using sometimes one notation, sometimes the other notation, depending on e.g. if they're filling in a form for a European bank, or something related to programming.

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#104

Post by rplnt »

woah wrote: post #13

FYI, in many European countries periods and commas in numbers are the reverse of how we use them in English- 405.413,19 is actually 405,413.19

As for the decimal mark (comma), it's most of the world really. This has nothing to do with grouping in numbers. I find both types of thousands separator (, or .) misleading, pointless and not nice at all. But maybe that's because I grew up in a country that used neither of those.

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#105

Post by pa_toulou »

This is quite old and has been defunct for years now. It is a collaboration between Ubermorgen and Paolo Cirio & Alessandro Ludovico

For Ubermorgen it was part of a trilogy[1] of art/hacks displayed in art galleries with amazon noir [2] and the sound of ebay [3].

For Paolo Cirio & Alessandro Ludovico it was part of The Hacking Monopolism Trilogy[4] with the same amazon noir and face to facebook[4] stealing a million facebook accounts and auto-populating a dating website with them [5]. They have more info and pics about gwei [6].

[1]: http://www.ubermorgen.com/EKMRZ_Trilogy/

[2]: http://www.amazon-noir.com/

[3]: http://www.sound-of-ebay.com/

[4]: http://www.face-to-facebook.net/hacking-monopolism-trilogy.p...

[5]: http://www.face-to-facebook.net/

[6]: http://www.face-to-facebook.net/gwei.php

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#106

Post by hellbreakslose »

has anyone around this project realized that every time you click google adds google is getting money for it as well? and obviously their revenue is 80% while they give you 20% for each click... with that said, no sir google won't eat itself your just making google richer.

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#107

Post by vidarh »

lutusp wrote: post #95
yetanotherphd wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I only need to point out the many companies that don't pay dividends and yet are widely accepted as investments. Your logical error is in assuming that if a company that pays no dividends now is considered a good investment, then that must mean that investors don't care if that company never pays dividends. On the contrary, investors don't care if Google pays dividends now , because every dollar Google doesn't pay a…

> Your logical error is in assuming that if a company that pays no dividends now is considered a good investment, then that must mean that investors don't care if that company never pays dividends. That is not a logical error, it is an uncontroversial fact. In point of fact, investors DO NOT CARE whether a company pays dividends, as long as their capital grows. Do you really think people who invest in Berkshire Hatha…

The quote you give is irrelevant. One would expect cash-rich dividend holdouts to outperform dividend payers on the basis that dividend holdouts are often companies whose shareholders expect, often based on past performance, will deliver better than market returns with any cash they're allowed by shareholders to keep.

At the same time, dividend payers are valued on the basis that they have distributed part of the assets of the company. Looking at the share price on its own is fairly uninteresting, as that does not take into account the total value to shareholders. If you want to look at total value to shareholders, take the share price and assume that every dollar paid in dividends is immediately re-invested in more shares in the company. Once you do that, companies that pay dividends perform substantially better than if you look at the share price alone.

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#108

Post by heinz »

pinaceae wrote: post #70
maaaats wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your contribution.. This , vs . is often a problem, because my bank will issue tables with , used as decimal separator, but copying that into some tool everything breaks because it expects . to be used.

his frustration stems from the fact that even after at least 50 years of software development the handling of number formatting (and add in dates for fun) is still something where time and time again software developers fuck up. it is amazing, all those CS and other courses and still every new generation of (predominantly) US developers discover the fact that there is a world outside the US. the most dominant data po…

Thank you.

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#109

Post by _nedR »

dictum wrote: post #26
coreymgilmore wrote: post #15

This is a pretty genius idea. Use Google to buy Google stock. With the current share price, buying shares isn't exactly cheap. But collecting cash from their service is an effective way to reap the benefits of corporate growth in another way. Similarly: buying Tesla (TSLA) stock when it was cheap because you couldn't afford the Model S....and now you can afford it. That being said, it would seem that there would need…

I can't find it now, but I remember seeing a picture around the time AAPL was rising fast (~2011-2012) that showed how much money you'd have if you had bought the equivalent amount of Apple stock that a given Mac cost when released. So, if you had bought $2000 of AAPL instead of a snazzy Macbook Pro, you'd have X now.

http://abstrusegoose.com/264

Re: Google Will Eat Itself

#110

Post by hessenwolf »

rplnt wrote: post #104
woah wrote: post #13

FYI, in many European countries periods and commas in numbers are the reverse of how we use them in English- 405.413,19 is actually 405,413.19

As for the decimal mark (comma), it's most of the world really. This has nothing to do with grouping in numbers. I find both types of thousands separator (, or .) misleading, pointless and not nice at all. But maybe that's because I grew up in a country that used neither of those.

I have to deal with a lot of millions and billions in work (reinsurance). Thousands separators are so essential to me!!
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