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Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by reeses »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #103
BCM43 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's pretty standard practice to place employees on paid leave while serious complaints are investigated. Employees? Sure. Founders? I've not heard of that before.

I also have never heard of a founder being put on leave. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say it is an admission that the allegations are true. But it is certainly an admission that they have merit and are not so far from reality as to be easily dismissed. I am pleased that Github is taking this seriously, and very sorry for Julie's experiences. This should never happen to anyone in our industry.

If you see a CEO/Founder/Chairman focusing on a new, spin-off, company, this is generally the American way of handling a volatile situation when the offender is perceived as irreplaceable.

Gary Friedman is an excellent example (I'm lazy, so HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/gary-friedman-resto...) of a pro forma separation of a major shareholder/chairman/CEO from the company.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by balloot »

Zigurd wrote: post #180
vacri wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is a terrible assumption to make. This line is basically saying "we're taking this seriously", because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive. Ironically, it's knee-jerk black and white comments like yours that create this kind of press release. You've already convicted them in your mind…

It can be both true that the situation called for having a co-founder put on leave, and his wife banned from the premises because a first look shows Horvath's claims are likely to be true and that Github's management deserves respect for prompt action, candor, and open communication. They could have been completely opaque and done nothing but investigate the matter, without any disclosure. It's a brave choice to be o…

As many others have said in this comment thread, Github's actions do NOT mean any claims are "likely to be true". It just means Github is taking proper steps to investigate the situation. The investigation may lead to them determining that Horvath, and not other employees, was in the wrong.

At the very least, she seems a bit...attention hungry. Knowing nothing about the situation or people involved I am taking her accusations with a huge grain of salt.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by ps4fanboy »

sp332 wrote: post #191
tw268 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feminism is a cultural Marxist ideology which tries to explain the world through the lens of class conflict - an overclass (male) which is oppressive and therefore evil and an underclass (female) which is oppressed and therefore good. This is why it is not considered oppression when men die young or go to prison more often than women and it is not a problem when men are underrepresented in higher ed - men can't be op…

The word "feminism" describes a lot more that just that one ideology. There are lots of feminist movements and "agendas" and the only thing they have in common is advocating equality for women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

This "feminism can be anything" stance is getting really old, is it really everything good and nothing bad?

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by balls187 »

Don't know what to make of this.

The founder getting his wife involved made a serious mistake. Agreed with most everyone else here, the CEO made the right call.

I'm now trying to understand though, what precipitated this whole mess. Julie talks about github as a "boys-club" culture and that her character was under attack in pull requests and issues, but doesn't give any more details.

Julie talks about passive aggressive behavior from a coworker, but this was while her ordeal with one of the founders was going on.

So what triggered this collapse?

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by r00fus »

leccine wrote: post #13

Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…

> For me, two adult individual can do whatever the hack they want to do, if it is legal and they are both consent of doing it.

Not if you want to have an effective workplace. There's a reason this would be called an HR violation at most places.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by wcummings »

hueving wrote: post #196
wcummings wrote: post #128

If what she said is half true, the engineer in question should absolutely be fired. I would fire him.

It's a good thing you aren't a manager. Which half is it that's good enough for termination? Reverting a commit, or what?

A coworker showing up uninvited to her house and making an awkward and uninvited advance, or systematically reverting commits as vengeance.

I made a vague statement, but I think "reverting a commit" is definitely minimizing what she claims happened

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by balls187 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #169
laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

> This narrows down the choices: the "founder" who is the cause for all this drama is either PJ Hyett or Tom Preston-Werner. https://twitter.com/tpdubs2/status/415224900782014464 > TheresaPrestonWerner @tpdubs2 > Found the best, most comfortable chair at GitHub HQ. Office seems pretty empty today. Among several other tweets here: https://twitter.com/search?q=github%20from%3Atpdubs2&src=typ...

I'd expect the founders to refrain from going to social media to speak about this until the internal investigation is done.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by unreal37 »

dmourati wrote: post #137
bdcravens wrote: post #95

The founder’s wife discussed in the media reports has never had hiring or firing power at GitHub and will no longer be permitted in the office. The fact that she was married to someone who did have hiring or firing power and WAS permitted in the office means she DID have (defacto) hiring or firing power. I wonder what the ramifications are, legal-wise? Obviously the founder could be sued, especially if he was allowin…

Might want to tighten that logic up a bit. Plenty of founder's spouses are allowed in and have been allowed in our offices. None of them had any hiring or firing power.

Except, if the allegation is true, the wife goes around to employees claiming she can fire people if she wants to.
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