Well that pretty much confirms what Julie said was true. Kudos to GitHub for not trying to sweep things under the rug.
Well, it sounds like they tried to sweep things under the rug.
Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
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#172The attitude adopted by the HR department on this matter reminded me of this: http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-11-26/
It's good to see that things are changing in GH.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is a terrible assumption to make. This line is basically saying "we're taking this seriously", because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive. Ironically, it's knee-jerk black and white comments like yours that create this kind of press release. You've already convicted them in your mind…
Fair enough about the HR person (who probably acted in fear for their job), but how often does the co-founder of a very successful start up get put on leave within 24 hours of an article published on Techcrunch?
Again ... you are jumping to conclusions. The statement did not specify when the person was put on leave.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
> GitHub is known to have a dubstep and IPA culture. What point are you trying to make here? Are you a classical music and hefeweizen type of employee typically? Or maybe based out of Seattle, in which case you'd prefer a more grunge/PBR culture?
Here in Seattle we like IPA so much, we invented a dark faux-IPA style called CDA (Cascadian Dark Ale). And no one listens to grunge anymore.
CDA was probably invented in Vancouver, FWIW. http://www.newschoolbeer.com/2012/11/who-owns-cascadian-dark...
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
It means just that! Github have a very fine line to walk. They don't have traditional shareholders to make happy. At the end of the day, all they have is their brand to protect. Ask Microsoft how important their brand is after releasing Windows ME. Or Blackberry just after the iPhone came out. Clearly something has happened, but they have to not only find out what happened, but to also be transparent and show that th…
"At the end of the day, all they have is their brand to protect." They also need to protect their company from a potential lawsuit.
Bingo!, the lawsuit is coming regardless, Horvath made sure to leave enough of a paper trail for it.
I think this whole situation looks like a misunderstanding snowballing into a tsunami. Founder's wife takes her for drinks, gets drunk, talks of her ass and says inappropriate stuff. I would just chalk it to drunkenness and forget the whole episode. It would've ended right there.
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#176Ms. Horvath's act of taking this directly to the press was obviously intended to inflict the maximum possible harm on Github and is, in itself, unprofessional and harms her credibility. The right way for her to have handled this would have been to document everything, and then resign and sue them without fanfare. Nobody wins when dirty laundry is aired.
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#177Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…
It's pretty odd for women to be hula hooping, I've never seen that, but Julia's reaction to is is bananas. How does that make her feel threatened? Can't she just ignore it, of course men are going to look, did the women think nobody would notice? To me this belittles any legitimate claim she might have, if she's this irrational about this event, then it clouds my view of other things she says. She also sounds confuse…
Death by a thousand cuts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeping_normality
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#178Female developers are not special.
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#179Who is the "relevant GitHub engineer"? The one Horvath rejected?
I don't think we will know unless this ends in some ugly lawsuit, but they can confirm the story by analysing multiple commit logs from same dude reverting Horvath's work.
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#180> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…
Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is a terrible assumption to make. This line is basically saying "we're taking this seriously", because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive. Ironically, it's knee-jerk black and white comments like yours that create this kind of press release. You've already convicted them in your mind…
It can be both true that the situation called for having a co-founder put on leave, and his wife banned from the premises because a first look shows Horvath's claims are likely to be true and that Github's management deserves respect for prompt action, candor, and open communication.
They could have been completely opaque and done nothing but investigate the matter, without any disclosure. It's a brave choice to be open because, even implicitly, admitting a problem can taken as admitting liability.