Him mentioning the cofounder's wife immediately gives credibility to Julie's claims! I hope she get's paid! The workplace should be professional, not a schoolyard.
I don't recall anyone having a spouse when I was playing in schoolyards.
Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
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Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. No, it isn't. It's standard operating procedure pretty much everywhere to put employees on leave while an investigation is conducted. It shouldn't be construed as an admission at all.
No but the apology says a lot...
Maybe, but it could also be calculated: "If we don't apologize, the mob will cry for our blood even more, and we obviously can't do a non-apology apology, because they'd hate us for that too. Just be humble and supplicate to them so we can keep our IPO--I mean reputation intact."
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not usually...ALWAYS. There is another side here. Github has just realized they have nothing to gain by defending.
Off topic, but there is not always "two sides". There is a tendency to try to frame and reduce everything to binary questions... but the world is just not binary.
There are always two sides. But people who use "two sides" tend to overlook that one of them may very well be "Yeah, we failed hard on this one".
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#124The founder’s wife discussed in the media reports has never had hiring or firing power at GitHub and will no longer be permitted in the office. The fact that she was married to someone who did have hiring or firing power and WAS permitted in the office means she DID have (defacto) hiring or firing power. I wonder what the ramifications are, legal-wise? Obviously the founder could be sued, especially if he was allowin…
Let's just make sure not to call the wife bossy.
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#125> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…
Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is a terrible assumption to make. This line is basically saying "we're taking this seriously", because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive. Ironically, it's knee-jerk black and white comments like yours that create this kind of press release. You've already convicted them in your mind…
Fair enough about the HR person (who probably acted in fear for their job), but how often does the co-founder of a very successful start up get put on leave within 24 hours of an article published on Techcrunch?
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#126> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…
Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is a terrible assumption to make. This line is basically saying "we're taking this seriously", because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive. Ironically, it's knee-jerk black and white comments like yours that create this kind of press release. You've already convicted them in your mind…
>because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive.
I am amazed at how many people don't recognize this. Even if the entire thing were completely made up, this would still be the only acceptable response github could give.
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#127Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…
> For me, two adult individual can do whatever the hack they want to do, if it is legal and they are both consent of doing it.
You may think so, but people are not allowed to have 'fun' however they please in an office environment, nor is 'Is this illegal' the end-all, be-all of being an incredibly toxic work environment.
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#128If what she said is half true, the engineer in question should absolutely be fired. I would fire him.
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#129Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…
It's possible for Julie to be oversensitive about such matters, and still have the abuse and sexism claimed to be rampant at Github be absolutely true.
The fact that she might not be perfect does not therefore invalidate her story about everything else.
Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like you're so desperate to out the guy that you have to make a weird, nonsensical post. If you really want to out him that badly just man up an post his name rather than trying to weasel around with "Easier to put a president on leave than a CEO".
Here, I edited my post so I don't hurt your peculiar sensitivities. I wasn't outing anyone, the founder who shall not be named is the only married one as plenty of people pointed out from the start. Also, for context to the original comment, the founder we are discussing here used to be CEO but switched roles a while back.
PJ Hyett has been married for many years: https://twitter.com/pjhyett/status/89064336454201346