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Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by x0x0 »

laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

I have to say, I'm really disappointed. Unless the allegations are somehow made up -- which seems incredibly unlikely -- this is an enormous lapse from a company I use and admire. Not only did the founders, at least in public appearances, all seem like decent people, but they had one hell of a success story. I also liked their seeming tolerance for remote work and support for people like Julie who tried to make our industry more welcome to women by doing instead of just talking.

All in all, I'm really saddened.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by Alex3917 »

sitharus wrote: post #28
laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

> > We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. > Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. > This is great news, but putting on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to…

There is a trick business schools like to play on students, where you are given a test with 10 - 15 scenarios where an employee has allegedly done something wrong and you need to write the proper response from the company.

The correct answer to every single scenario is "suspend pending investigation."

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by general_failure »

laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

Innocent until proven guilty

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by nlew »

jw2013 wrote: post #16

"the relevant founder has been put on leave... The founder’s wife... will no longer be permitted in the office." Almost exactly what I expected. As the startup grows larger (200+ employees now for Github?) it's not uncommon to have some cultural setback. +1 for Github trying to fix it asap, but still Chris Wanstrath did not mention how are they exactly going to fix the culture. Putting founder on leave is by no means…

The plan is the outcome of the investigation. The point is to figure out what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

comrh wrote: post #69
tw268 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting mad at people having harmless fun isn't normal, but on feminism it is...

Yeah, rage against feminism... the radical notion that women are people.

It's nice to see you can make use of stock quotes that are completely distant from reality.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by nsted »

leccine wrote: post #13

Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…

People are so supportive of the CEO for a standup response, but some still dis Julie for coming forward and exposing the problems. Strange.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

> This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to the healthy growth of the company. Surely they don't want them back?

I'm strongly inclined to believe that what Horvath said is true and that these two people should be laid off, but that shouldn't happen before an investigation. If they're not guilty, they should be exonerated; if they are, they should be dismissed with the full weight of evidence, so they can't paint themselves as innocent martyrs.

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