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Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by revetkn »

laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

> Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

I have no idea whose side of the story is accurate, but there was really no other way for Github to play this, whether they were in the wrong or Julie was in the wrong.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by carlosdp »

jw2013 wrote: post #16

"the relevant founder has been put on leave... The founder’s wife... will no longer be permitted in the office." Almost exactly what I expected. As the startup grows larger (200+ employees now for Github?) it's not uncommon to have some cultural setback. +1 for Github trying to fix it asap, but still Chris Wanstrath did not mention how are they exactly going to fix the culture. Putting founder on leave is by no means…

It's been like a day (over a weekend), probably not enough time to put together such a plan...

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by nfoz »

flylib wrote: post #27
laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

> Doesn't appear so. They did get an HR person, but an experienced one? Not a chance. No experienced HR person would have let any of that get as far as it got. That HR person should probably be put on leave or be fired as well. > that person came on board in January 2014 most of the things that had happened predated the HR person coming on, but you do have a point, the wife thing should of stopped since January

> should of stopped

should have stopped

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by PeterisP »

leothekim wrote: post #15

Now, what does "put on leave" mean? Is that "suspended with pay"? "Stay low until the dust settles"? Or, "terminated after further review"?

It means that they still need to agree on what will be the permanent solution - so they do all they can do right now, but settling the matter with a co-founder(=co-owner) can't be that quick. "with pay" is irrelevant there, their main relationship is not the employment contract but the details in shareholder agreement that likely includes all kinds of stipulations about control of company, being forced to leave, and monetary issues much larger than salary.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by wyager »

laureny wrote: post #21

> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true. This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposit…

>> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation...

>Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

Lynch! Lynch! Lynch!

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by leccine »

roflc0ptic wrote: post #32
leccine wrote: post #13

Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…

So many words without contributing anything to the discussion. "These accusations seem a bit irrational." What are you even talking about they are factual coupled with her interpretations. This post hints strongly that github is disputing neither. Your read is tortured.

Focus on the story and the discussion and not on me please.

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by derefr »

leothekim wrote: post #15

Now, what does "put on leave" mean? Is that "suspended with pay"? "Stay low until the dust settles"? Or, "terminated after further review"?

It means "stay out of here so we can investigate this without you trying to defend yourself or impeding the investigation. When we're done, we'll tell you if we want you back or not."

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by pekk »

leccine wrote: post #13

Well Julie's story stinks. Let me just quote the last thigs she wrote and work backwards from that. "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to m…

Let's consider what it means for this GitHub hula hoop party to be "unsafe."

What is the dangerous thing that Horvath thought would happen?

Do we really consider the suggestion plausible that GitHub's allowance of hula-hooping-watching will result in a gang rape in its offices?

Re: Update on Julie Horvath's Departure

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Post by [deleted] »

carlosdp wrote: post #42
jw2013 wrote: post #16

"the relevant founder has been put on leave... The founder’s wife... will no longer be permitted in the office." Almost exactly what I expected. As the startup grows larger (200+ employees now for Github?) it's not uncommon to have some cultural setback. +1 for Github trying to fix it asap, but still Chris Wanstrath did not mention how are they exactly going to fix the culture. Putting founder on leave is by no means…

It's been like a day (over a weekend), probably not enough time to put together such a plan...

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