That hula hoops bit was a bit... strange. If it were a couple of attractive girls I probably would also find myself staring. I mean, its just not something you see everyday working at an office.
I understand being stared at is uncomfortable too, and they should feel free to do whatever they want of course. It just sounds like how unattractive people "stare creepily" while attractive people "look."
Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#42Well, there are only three Github founders, and a quick search seems to indicate that Tom Preston-Werner is the only one with a wife, Theresa: http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/27/omakase-charity-tech-indust...
Any guess who this is? “well-liked at GitHub” and “popular in the community.”
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#43> Horvath then told her partner, also a GitHub employee... Protip: don't dip your pen in the company ink.
At big paranoid organizations (CIA, NSA, etc.), they actively encourage internal relationships and marriages, as it simplifies security modeling. But not really in the same group.
It makes a lot of sense in such organizations, as it satisfies the employees' need for close human relationships without compromising the company's paranoid culture.
In this case--and likely in all for-profit companies--it only magnified the problem by adding another employee to the drama.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#44Until there's a second side to this my GitHub use is not going to continue. Sad to see this happen, but it's not hard to change origins on my repos to BitBucket or Gitlab. edit: and again, it's two commands to push my repo back. but i have no interest in being with github at this time
But why? Despite it's dubious origins, Github remains an excellent / superior product. One may not agree with the way they do things (and even that seems to be some, not everyone in the organization), but is that really a reason to stop using the product? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic
As usual, the people pushing logical fallacies are the ones making the most of it. You do not want to reward people of the origin product because they are mis-behaving, so you are hoping to create negative incentives/tradeoffs for such behavior.
In the cited example on that website, it says
Accused on the 6 o'clock news of corruption and taking bribes, the senator said that we should all be very wary of the things we hear in the media, because we all know how very unreliable the media can be." Except in this one it goes, 6oclockCorp->generality of media. In this one, it is Github->Github, especially cause 'founder' is here.
That said I think leaving github is a pretty dumb idea considering that comparatively they are the good kids overall.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't it better to wait until all sides of the story have been told?
The likelihood she's lying is next to zero. You don't really make these things up...
I hope you understand that the truth is not simply a matter of if somebody is lying or not. Recollections can be flawed. Perceptions may be biased. Knowledge of other factors may be limited. Events or circumstances may be unintentionally unconsidered or mentioned. There is always value in hearing the take of other people, even when you are an involved party (and therefore able to be certain that you are not lying).
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#46This sounds less like sexism and more just non-sexist batshit crazy people and incompetent HR. Somehow that isn't particularly better.
I think the implication is that none of this would have happened, or at least would not have been tolerated, if she was male. And it sound like the basis of her relationship with the founder's wife being "crazy" was that she was a female employee. So I'd say sexism played a significant role here.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#47The problem with the founder's wife sounds like a very one sided account of your standard interpersonal conflict. Everyone who has ever been in one of those has at some point claimed themselves to be a saint and their opponent a demon.
The alleged sexism seems to be primarily imaginary.
The anonymous posting that so upset her and precipitated all of this said:
> has a history of RAGINING against any professional criticism. Leadership has stood idly by while she lied about contributions and threw hardworking coworkers under the bus (again and again)[1]
To be honest, it seems to me that such could very well be true.
[1] https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444646082857820160/phot...
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#481. What part of the article above would be considered hearsay? Aside from the screenshots, it feels the least bit gossipy. 2. Right to confront accusers? This seems extremely one-sided. No one she blames gets to defend themselves, where are the witnesses on either side?
Er, it's not like she's anonymously accusing them. They can confront her any time they want.
Carried forward, in a court-like environment, or throwing salvos over PR mediums?
I take it as a bad smell someone goes the PR route over a lawyer (perhaps a confidential legal threat?) to discuss things privately and settle thing amicably.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#49This sounds less like sexism and more just non-sexist batshit crazy people and incompetent HR. Somehow that isn't particularly better.
If we accept the general outline of events thus far recounted, only one of two people has to be crazy, and the others can be merely blind/incompetent/weak. Unfortunately it is impossible at this stage for an outsider to be certain who the crazy party actually is.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#50This sounds less like sexism and more just non-sexist batshit crazy people and incompetent HR. Somehow that isn't particularly better.
That's how I read it as well. I mean, there's definitely some hints of sexist behavior. Though as I was reading, it felt like I was in the hallways of my high school years ago. Loads of gossip and craziness.
It's sad to see this story come out of GitHub though. Why can't we all just get along?