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Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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The problem with studies about the future is that they tend to too easily reconfirm the ideological beliefs of the writers. For example, the Romans didn't collapse because of environmental reasons. This makes them a tough jigsaw piece to squeeze into a deep environmentalist collapse puzzle. This is probably why Jared Diamond ignores them and instead focuses on small tribes in the arctic and easter island. The only co…

Yeah, those mathematicians have crazy ideas.

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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post #3

There is some interesting insight to be gained from the elites vs masses psychology here. However I'm very skeptical of looking at history to try to predict the future of our civilization. Population and resource utilization as a percentage of total available on our planet have never been anywhere near what they are today. If civilization is to survive we somehow need to transition work environmental and total resour…

Is capitalism compatible with human survival? You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources.

>Report for the UN into the activities of the world's 3,000 biggest companies estimates one-third of profits would be lost if firms were forced to pay for use, loss and damage of environment

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/18/worlds-to...

It's true that massive regulation to account for all the externalities of the market is vital, but with 200 species a day going extinct already, and serious crises on the horizon, it should have happened a long time ago.

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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"and increasingly unequal wealth distribution". I don't know about this. If anything we have more wealth available to commoners today compared to centuries ago. Just look at how things were a 1000 or 2000 years ago, most everyone was poor, with the wealth held by kings a lords.

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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post #3

There is some interesting insight to be gained from the elites vs masses psychology here. However I'm very skeptical of looking at history to try to predict the future of our civilization. Population and resource utilization as a percentage of total available on our planet have never been anywhere near what they are today. If civilization is to survive we somehow need to transition work environmental and total resour…

Is capitalism compatible with human survival? You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources. >Report for the UN into the activities of the world's 3,000 biggest companies estimates one-third of profits would be lost if firms were forced to pay for use, loss and damage of environment http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/18/worlds-to... It's true that massive regulation to account for all…

Is capitalism compatible with human survival? You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources.

Maybe that's why people are trying to commercialize space/exploration?

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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This is obviously sensationalist bullshit. The Guardian writer, Nafeez Ahmed, has produced a string of highly exaggerated articles in the past[1]. Very surprised that the Guardian publishes this crap but it seems that highly politicized subjects like climate change and income inequality have different standards.

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nafeez-ahmed

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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post #9

NASA is an acronym, yet most British publications stylize it as a word - Nasa.

Actually, no, many (esp. British) publications style acronyms in initial-caps rather than all-caps, its not styling "Nasa" as a word (i.e., "Nasa" is not styled differently from how other acronyms are styled in those same publications.)

What may mislead some people as to what is going on is that the publications that style acronyms this way still style initialisms in all caps, and many people don't note the difference between acronyms and initialisms (and, particularly, may be more familiar with publications that style both acronyms and initialisms in all caps.) See, e.g., "Abbreviations and acronyms" in the Guardian and Observer style guide [1].

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-a

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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post #3

There is some interesting insight to be gained from the elites vs masses psychology here. However I'm very skeptical of looking at history to try to predict the future of our civilization. Population and resource utilization as a percentage of total available on our planet have never been anywhere near what they are today. If civilization is to survive we somehow need to transition work environmental and total resour…

Is capitalism compatible with human survival? You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources. >Report for the UN into the activities of the world's 3,000 biggest companies estimates one-third of profits would be lost if firms were forced to pay for use, loss and damage of environment http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/18/worlds-to... It's true that massive regulation to account for all…

> You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources.

Blasphemy! I bet less than half of the otherwise smart people acknowledge this. Or they think we'll just terraform Mars some other planet light years away, soon enough.

Re: Industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is capitalism compatible with human survival? You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources. >Report for the UN into the activities of the world's 3,000 biggest companies estimates one-third of profits would be lost if firms were forced to pay for use, loss and damage of environment http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/18/worlds-to... It's true that massive regulation to account for all…

Is capitalism compatible with human survival? You can't have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources. Maybe that's why people are trying to commercialize space/exploration?

They're trying, but a cursory evaluation shows it's a lost cause. Much easier to achieve a sustainable civilization (zero growth), as hard as that is.
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