Developer quits GitHub due to harassment • Hacker News Board

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by insteadof » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:17 AM UTC

zaqokm wrote: post #8

danabenson wrote: post #3

Here is one of her blog posts expressing frustration, although still vague: http://julieannhorvath.com/2013/03/22/there-is-no-emoji-for-...

going by that post it seems that for some reason she thinks it is appropriate to use the word "Fuck" on stage and inappropriate for people to complain about it. That seems a little backwards to me.

That post is more about audiences who, when men and women talk and cuss the same, are shocked, wilting like flowers. They expect the women to be sweet, dainty and lady-like.

The whole of: When men cuss on stage, they're commanding. When women cuss on stage, they're unprofessional.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by danso » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:23 AM UTC

zaqokm wrote: post #8

danabenson wrote: post #3

Here is one of her blog posts expressing frustration, although still vague: http://julieannhorvath.com/2013/03/22/there-is-no-emoji-for-...

going by that post it seems that for some reason she thinks it is appropriate to use the word "Fuck" on stage and inappropriate for people to complain about it. That seems a little backwards to me.

Yeah, if only she knew that the proper form of the word, for public talks, is "fucking", as demonstrated by Zach Holman, senior Github engineer http://zachholman.com/talk/if-only-i-knew-this-shit-in-colle...

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by zaqokm » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:28 AM UTC

insteadof wrote: post #11

zaqokm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

going by that post it seems that for some reason she thinks it is appropriate to use the word "Fuck" on stage and inappropriate for people to complain about it. That seems a little backwards to me.

That post is more about audiences who, when men and women talk and cuss the same, are shocked, wilting like flowers. They expect the women to be sweet, dainty and lady-like. The whole of: When men cuss on stage, they're commanding. When women cuss on stage, they're unprofessional.

> That post is more about audiences who, when men and women talk and cuss the same, are shocked, wilting like flowers. They expect the women to be sweet, dainty and lady-like.

I understood the context may be that or made out to be that, but in reality it isn't really appropriate for anyone. I am sure men have been criticised for the same thing, so I do not believe it is some sexiest ideology. It may be that some people believe that speakers should be professional.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by helpful » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:31 AM UTC

vladgur wrote: post #9

harassment is a pretty strong word in my opinion, so I hope she proceeds with blogging as to what constituted that harassment and why she endured it for so long. On other hand if she was so bad as the Secret screenshot claims, why wasnt she fired. Of course this whole incident could be a result of a slow firing process where the employer has to collect enough documentation in order to protect itself from any discrimi…

CA is an at-will employment state. She can be let go without a reason and it would be insanely difficult to prove discrimination occurred as a result

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by Giraffenstein » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:42 AM UTC

vladgur wrote: post #9

harassment is a pretty strong word in my opinion, so I hope she proceeds with blogging as to what constituted that harassment and why she endured it for so long. On other hand if she was so bad as the Secret screenshot claims, why wasnt she fired. Of course this whole incident could be a result of a slow firing process where the employer has to collect enough documentation in order to protect itself from any discrimi…

>each party will try to protect its image.

Horvath isn't so much protecting her image as she is heaping dirt upon it. She's allegedly harassed in the workplace, and the first place she goes to is Twitter? Nowhere in the flowchart of "how to deal with workplace issues" will you find a square that says "whine on Twitter." "Blog about it" is also conspicuously absent.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by theorique » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:43 AM UTC

What's actually going on?

Lots of people seem to be taking the opportunity to jump on Github for "toxic culture" and so forth, but until we know what actually happened, they seem to be jumping to conclusions.

Some people might call this victim blaming, but until we find out who the actual victim(s) is/are in the situation, how can we know who is to blame?

A company could be the victim of a disgruntled ex-employee who wants to drag the company's name through the mud. And a company could have treated an ex-employee bad enough that she quit. The uninvolved public simply don't know enough facts to take a side one way or the other.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by ethnt » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 4:47 AM UTC

theorique wrote: post #16

What's actually going on? Lots of people seem to be taking the opportunity to jump on Github for "toxic culture" and so forth, but until we know what actually happened, they seem to be jumping to conclusions. Some people might call this victim blaming, but until we find out who the actual victim(s) is/are in the situation, how can we know who is to blame? A company could be the victim of a disgruntled ex-employee who…

To be honest, we may never get the full truth here. Both sides have their reputation to uphold.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by obeid » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 5:01 AM UTC

notahat wrote: post #7

Chikkient wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My own opinion: She is a terrible person to work with, in response to this [1] outing of her behind the scenes behavior decided to deflect everything back at GitHub with public tantrum filled with false allegations. https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/444646082857820160

What information is your opinion based on?

It wouldn't matter, nothing credible will come from an anonymous account that was created an hour ago.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by FireBeyond » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 5:55 AM UTC

zaqokm wrote: post #8

danabenson wrote: post #3

Here is one of her blog posts expressing frustration, although still vague: http://julieannhorvath.com/2013/03/22/there-is-no-emoji-for-...

going by that post it seems that for some reason she thinks it is appropriate to use the word "Fuck" on stage and inappropriate for people to complain about it. That seems a little backwards to me.

This is a company whose presentations have used the word “fuck” on more than one occasion, who just today have released a blog entry that discusses their chatrooms and how often the word “fuck” was said, including how often by their Hubot, (“our robot has something of a potty mouth”), so if that was the claim, I think she’d feel justified in expressing a little surprise.

Re: Developer quits GitHub due to harassment

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Post by zaqokm » Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 6:16 AM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #19

zaqokm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

going by that post it seems that for some reason she thinks it is appropriate to use the word "Fuck" on stage and inappropriate for people to complain about it. That seems a little backwards to me.

This is a company whose presentations have used the word “fuck” on more than one occasion, who just today have released a blog entry that discusses their chatrooms and how often the word “fuck” was said, including how often by their Hubot, (“our robot has something of a potty mouth”), so if that was the claim, I think she’d feel justified in expressing a little surprise.

> This is a company whose presentations have used the word “fuck” on more than one occasion

Hey I understand your position, but she is criticising the "bullies" (whom I gather are audience members) in that statement, not the company.

The irony of this is she goes on to mention Adria Richards who became infamous for tweeting the private conversation of two people whose language was also inappropriate, and suggesting it was a difficult time for Richards.

So I am confused by the messaging in the post, it is ok to say "Fuck" but wrong to criticise someone for saying it, but it is ok to criticise someone for innuendo for forking a repo.