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"Inspired" violence is a pathetically low bar that should be rejected by anybody with any interest in free speech. Scorsese's Taxi Driver inspired John Hinckley Jr, but no reasonable person that believes in a free society would think Scorsese in any way or capacity responsible for the assassination attempt on Reagan.

Apologies, I'll be less nuanced for you. Hitler would have got nowhere if he was mute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Apologies, I'll be less nuanced for you. Hitler would have got nowhere if he was mute.

Hitler would also have gotten nowhere if there had not been lots of antisemitism, racism, nationalism and the urge to take revenge for the treaty of Versailles among german people. If Hitler would have been mute, he could still have written "Mein Kampf", he probably would not have done the speeches but could be easily replaced by Göbbels, Himmler or someone else. Contrary to a lot of contemporary documentaries and so…

Thank you for this comment. Let's not pretend we can blame a single person for any atrocity. Genocide requires the complicity of a lot of people. And people can be inspired to comply by speech. Free speech is a worthy principle, but it carries a price we should never ignore.

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How is MediaGoblin different than just NGiNX with extensions to handle streaming video and sound?

Best to think of it as a kind of CMS for multimedia. You can have multiple users on one instance, comments, public/private settings, etc.

Are public/private settings implemented? I thought that was a "stretch goal" for their recent fundraising campaign[0; $60k goal].

0. http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html

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Hitler would also have gotten nowhere if there had not been lots of antisemitism, racism, nationalism and the urge to take revenge for the treaty of Versailles among german people. If Hitler would have been mute, he could still have written "Mein Kampf", he probably would not have done the speeches but could be easily replaced by Göbbels, Himmler or someone else. Contrary to a lot of contemporary documentaries and so…

Thank you for this comment. Let's not pretend we can blame a single person for any atrocity. Genocide requires the complicity of a lot of people. And people can be inspired to comply by speech. Free speech is a worthy principle, but it carries a price we should never ignore.

Thanks, the funny thing for me about discussions like this is that in my home country, Austria, (extreme) right wingers are often the first ones who argue that there freedom of speech is too restricted because it's a criminal offense to - for example - deny the holocaust there. That makes it a difficult topic for me. I sincerely want to believe in freedom of speech but reading about history and watching the rise of neo-fascist movements in some areas of Europe has taught me that too often the better argument looses against fear, demagogy and violence. I still think that enlightenment, which depends on free speech, is the best solution in the long run but it becomes difficult if you have to deal with things like violent racism in the short run.

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Ultimately the problem is not who has the power, it's the lack of due process. So much of the modern world is online and so much of online activity is considered to be unprotected. A priviledge contingent on the acquiescence of hundreds of different powers from celebrities to media companies to governments. In practice it's nothing less than a new type of aristocracy or a new class system. It's definitely a massive erosion of individual rights, especially to free expression.

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Yeah. I personally escaped 5 bombings, and witnessed several shootings. I always missed a bomb by a couple of minutes. What this does is making you blasé, and you know you're sort of screwd when a bomb explodes and you continue your conversation like nothing happened.

Nope that's because you were in a country full of religious fundamentalist nut cases. Ones who are brainwashed, censored, dogmatised etc etc. QED.

Your QED is in reference to what exactly ? I didn't know there was something to prove, am I missing your point ?

I also miss the point of your "Nope". It's about what ?

Also, I wasn't in a country "full of religious fundamentalist nut cases". There were a few fundamentalist nut cases (compared to the millions of normal, regular citizens who want to live their lives normally) who brought chaos.

Even in the countries where there is the most violence, it would be naïve to assume that most people are like that. Most people want to live. Few nut cases want to blow themselves and go to Heaven or some nonsense like that, and unsurprisingly, it is these few the media are interested in showing.

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I am familiar with UK History, ChuckMcM. There were really ugly periods. That's why I think that if anyone should actively be against terrorism, it's the UK ! And that's why I was surprized by the passivity of the Government with the likes of Abu Hamza in the streets calling for shedding the blood of the "unfaithful".

ok, I didn't get that from your original post but I understand the question. My take on it is that the UK has tried a variety of reaction strategies to terrorist threats which have had varying levels of success. And the people have varying levels of trust in their government which then colors their interpretation of the actions a government might take and the reaction to their actions. In many ways I think the UK fea…

That makes sense. It's a really complex problem, it's really hard.

Here, there was a program for reconciliation. I mean, we've had it good for the last decade. It's really not the same anymore and there is peace, but the sequels are there.

And there are a whole bunch of new problems: What do you do with the children born in those terrorist families (because they lived wives and children in the mountains. These children were endoctrinated. What do you do with them).

The reconciliation program promised amnisty to terrorists who surrender. They were given money, etc, and immunity to start over.. But this brought other problems: When some of them don't have the decency to move away from where they started, and return to the very neighborhood they did some evil actions in. If you ever talk to them, you have big problems. This turned them into "business men" who are untouchable. And I let you imagine the frustration and resentment of the average citizen, especially the poor.

People will think "Heck, it pays to be a terrorist.. I should've killed some people to get those benefits, huh.."

There's also conflict with people in the military who sacrificed their lives and all, who gave an arm, a leg, an eye for the peace and who got nothing, to see these terrorists drive in beamers with immunity...

Not to mention that many who surrendered and who got benefits, money and situation... Eventually constitued back-up and provided supplies for the still-active ones. Some of them get busted, but you can easily make the case that "Once a terrorist, always a terrorist".

This gets contrasted by those who truly surrendered and repented. So you can't throw them all in one bin.

And so on, so forth...

It's a tough, tough, tough question.

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Apologies, I'll be less nuanced for you. Hitler would have got nowhere if he was mute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Godwin for the win :D

You don't see too many people bringing Leopold II.. Except for a recent article which made me go "Yay ! Finally !"

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