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Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Re: Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Post by phaer »

lclarkmichalek wrote: post #51
Crito wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Inspired" violence is a pathetically low bar that should be rejected by anybody with any interest in free speech. Scorsese's Taxi Driver inspired John Hinckley Jr, but no reasonable person that believes in a free society would think Scorsese in any way or capacity responsible for the assassination attempt on Reagan.

Apologies, I'll be less nuanced for you. Hitler would have got nowhere if he was mute.

Hitler would also have gotten nowhere if there had not been lots of antisemitism, racism, nationalism and the urge to take revenge for the treaty of Versailles among german people. If Hitler would have been mute, he could still have written "Mein Kampf", he probably would not have done the speeches but could be easily replaced by Göbbels, Himmler or someone else. Contrary to a lot of contemporary documentaries and so an, the danger of national socialism wasn't a single person but the ideology and a society which was all too open for it.

Re: Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Post by tptacek »

lclarkmichalek wrote: post #51
Crito wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Inspired" violence is a pathetically low bar that should be rejected by anybody with any interest in free speech. Scorsese's Taxi Driver inspired John Hinckley Jr, but no reasonable person that believes in a free society would think Scorsese in any way or capacity responsible for the assassination attempt on Reagan.

Apologies, I'll be less nuanced for you. Hitler would have got nowhere if he was mute.

I can't even tell if you two are actually disagreeing about anything, or just escalating for the pure joy of it.

Re: Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Post by wfn »

devx wrote: post #9

> Brokenshire suggested that the government was also pushing for a "code of conduct" for internet service providers and other internet companies, which might include changing search algorithms to downgrade "unsavoury" content in internet searches. Google, the search engine, will die by the end of this decade. Mark my words. This is the beginning of the end. This is the moment in history when Google the search engine,…

> As soon as there's a "good enough" P2P censorship-free and privacy-friendly alternative to Google, millions of people will move to it.

On that note: does anyone have an opinion on YaCy? http://yacy.de/en/index.html

Re: Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Post by soneil »

Jugurtha wrote: post #31

Good morning, UK... I don't encourage that thing Google is doing, however, it's 2014 and it's only now the UK is doing something to go back from UKistan to the United Kingdom. I'm from Algeria and the UK showed great hospitality to extremists calling for killing us from the foggy London streets. They allowed that in the name of democracy and freedom of speech. Easy being a democracy when what the extremists do isn't…

I can't agree with this logic at all.

Once we take away everything it means to be British, in an attempt to be 'secure' - what are we defending?

We shouldn't just do the right thing when it's "easy" - we should do it when it's the right thing.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Jugurtha wrote: post #58
ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually if you know UK history you'd know that terrorism has been both religious (in the form of Protestant and Catholic conflicts), territorial (in the the form of sovereignty issues with places like Ireland and Scotland), as well as a variety of political intrigues and plots to balance out the power of the monarchy and the people. Most older folks though remember the IRA bombings[1] as the most recent scourge. [1]…

I am familiar with UK History, ChuckMcM. There were really ugly periods. That's why I think that if anyone should actively be against terrorism, it's the UK ! And that's why I was surprized by the passivity of the Government with the likes of Abu Hamza in the streets calling for shedding the blood of the "unfaithful".

ok, I didn't get that from your original post but I understand the question.

My take on it is that the UK has tried a variety of reaction strategies to terrorist threats which have had varying levels of success. And the people have varying levels of trust in their government which then colors their interpretation of the actions a government might take and the reaction to their actions. In many ways I think the UK fears religious persecution more than most governments.

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Post by buzaga41 »

I'll never set my foot in UK and I'm happy to not be british! goddamn what a shitty place.. in terms of policy, I'd be scared with the government if I lived there, I imagine there must be a 'soft oppression' going on already.. Not to mention speech is not protected

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Post by bananas »

Jugurtha wrote: post #60
bananas wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I nearly got my arse blown off in 7/7/2005 and spent the best part of 4 hours stuck on a tube train behind one full of dead people. I don't support any censorship. If someone wants to publish this shit, let them. You're a bona fide idiot if you bother with it. Censorship, brainwashing, media control and years of religious dogma turned them into cowardly bombers to start with.

Yeah. I personally escaped 5 bombings, and witnessed several shootings. I always missed a bomb by a couple of minutes. What this does is making you blasé, and you know you're sort of screwd when a bomb explodes and you continue your conversation like nothing happened.

Nope that's because you were in a country full of religious fundamentalist nut cases.

Ones who are brainwashed, censored, dogmatised etc etc.

QED.

Re: Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Post by hahainternet »

Crito wrote: post #54
lclarkmichalek wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, I'll be less nuanced for you. Hitler would have got nowhere if he was mute.

I'm not saying that speech cannot be used to organize great crimes. I am saying that the bar for responsibility or fault is nowhere even near "inspired".

"goad"? "facilitate"? What's the boundary?

Re: Google gives UK government “super flagger” status for YouTube?

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Post by hahainternet »

bananas wrote: post #56
Jugurtha wrote: post #31

Good morning, UK... I don't encourage that thing Google is doing, however, it's 2014 and it's only now the UK is doing something to go back from UKistan to the United Kingdom. I'm from Algeria and the UK showed great hospitality to extremists calling for killing us from the foggy London streets. They allowed that in the name of democracy and freedom of speech. Easy being a democracy when what the extremists do isn't…

I nearly got my arse blown off in 7/7/2005 and spent the best part of 4 hours stuck on a tube train behind one full of dead people. I don't support any censorship. If someone wants to publish this shit, let them. You're a bona fide idiot if you bother with it. Censorship, brainwashing, media control and years of religious dogma turned them into cowardly bombers to start with.

> Censorship, brainwashing, media control and years of religious dogma turned them into cowardly bombers to start with.

Censorship turns people into suicide bombers? I think the fact that the rest of what you listed is actually transmitted over things like Youtube completely negates your point.

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