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Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by jacquesm »

hellweaver666 wrote: post #27
antipax wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess the GV thing was the tip of the iceberg for him.

To be honest, A lot of people are blaming Apple for the whole Google Voice thing - I'm pretty sure that Apple were pressured to remove it by AT&T. Skype only got away with being published because it only works for calls over wifi. As for all the other GV apps, I'm pretty sure they were only removed because AT&T became aware of them as a side effect of the official app being published.

AT&T claims high and low that they were not involved.

Either that's the truth or shredders are running, the FCC has asked that question explicitly and that was AT&Ts answer: "AT&T does not manage or approve applications for the App Store"

Which pretty much leaves Apple to talk their way out of this on their own. Nice to have partners.

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by litewulf »

jacquesm wrote: post #30
siculars wrote: post #18

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i would say it is of maximal strategic value. knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. note the analytics news out of ibm re snazzy.

> knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. Reading HN today has paid off I see. That's a brilliant insight.

"who I call" is a massive subset of my social graph.

Most of the things I do are arranged by email/IM. We agree to go to someone's house at a particular time, and then we do so. I'd only call if I managed to get lost.

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by thorax »

litewulf wrote: post #32
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. Reading HN today has paid off I see. That's a brilliant insight.

"who I call" is a massive subset of my social graph. Most of the things I do are arranged by email/IM. We agree to go to someone's house at a particular time, and then we do so. I'd only call if I managed to get lost.

You mean arranged via gmail/gtalk?

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by jacquesm »

litewulf wrote: post #32
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. Reading HN today has paid off I see. That's a brilliant insight.

"who I call" is a massive subset of my social graph. Most of the things I do are arranged by email/IM. We agree to go to someone's house at a particular time, and then we do so. I'd only call if I managed to get lost.

Yes, but even that subset has tremendous value, if only because you will probably assign different values to different methods of communication.

Communications methods that have a cost associated with them are used for more important stuff than those that are free.

When the telegraph was introduced it certainly wasn't wasted on trivialities, every word cost money.

The phone still costs money, even if the amount per word is so low that in practice it is also used for many trivial communications.

The cost of email and IM is so low that most of it is trivial, spam exists for that one reason only. If an email would cost you 25 cts then spam would be non-existent.

So the graph of who calls who probably has significant value, possibly more than who mails who or who IMs who.

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by dhimes »

jerf wrote: post #20
wglb wrote: post #11

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Perhaps you mean the straw that broke the camel's back?

I like to refer to things like this as "the brick that broke the camel's back". "Straws" that break the camel's back should be reserved for an insignificant annoyance that sets you off after a long period of building up grievances; calling it the brick implies the long buildup of grievances but also that this one is pretty significant. (And it tends to get a chuckle, which is a plus in my book.) I think this is a pre…

hey, hey, one metaphor at a time!

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by siculars »

litewulf wrote: post #32
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. Reading HN today has paid off I see. That's a brilliant insight.

"who I call" is a massive subset of my social graph. Most of the things I do are arranged by email/IM. We agree to go to someone's house at a particular time, and then we do so. I'd only call if I managed to get lost.

you and i are here on hn. we are the definition of subset. your subset is infinitesimally small in the macro environment of voice conversations. there are billions of people who do not have computers - but do have nokia cell phones. that is the growth market of the next decade.

imho, the us market will lead the way as a test bed for services of this nature to be rolled out globally.

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by siculars »

jacquesm wrote: post #30
siculars wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i would say it is of maximal strategic value. knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. note the analytics news out of ibm re snazzy.

> knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. Reading HN today has paid off I see. That's a brilliant insight.

tough day at the office? pump the breaks on the sarcasm mate, you're burnin unique id's.

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by jacquesm »

siculars wrote: post #38
jacquesm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> knowing who calls who is the ultimate social graph. Reading HN today has paid off I see. That's a brilliant insight.

tough day at the office? pump the breaks on the sarcasm mate, you're burnin unique id's.

Actually I'm self employed and have been for about 2 decades now.

Also I was serious.

I never thought of the value that is inherent in knowing who calls who. That's the sort of gem that comes by here every now and then.

as to unique id's...

Re: Dr. Eric Schmidt Resigns from Apple’s Board of Directors

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Post by markm »

boredguy8 wrote: post #25
antaeos wrote: post #17

Fake Steve Jobs must be ready to explode right around now.

Yeah, since he's been saying Eric is 'dead to me' for quite a while. Still one of the best tech 'gossip' blogs out there.

Daniel Lyons, (aka. Fake Steve) also wrote this article for Newsweek called "Lyons: Why Good Web Sites Should Not Be Free".

Lyons pandered to the Newsweek demographic which for the most part wouldn't be heavy Internet users.

Newsweek Article: http://www.newsweek.com/id/208163 Reddit discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/942qd/why_old_people_sh... HN discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=722991

Not intending to cut Lyons at the knees, more hoping to add perspective to his body of work.

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