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Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#41
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

It's funny how things change.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#42

I've called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. This is why I am leaving government. I am about the same age as Zuck and have been working in government at many levels for about 12 years now and I work with people who have been working policy for over 40 years. The president couldn't care less what most of us think think...but because Zuck has sh…

You're leaving government because the President of the US won't take your phone call? Did you quit school because your name wasn't in the textbooks?

This is a very reductive logic, primarily focused on trolling. I hope you are not a dim-wit like the posts suggests you are.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#43
post #17

It's a little bit weird how a few years ago all those powerful tech company heads were meeting with the President. Then finally it came out that they all had made deals directly with the NSA and colluded to give them access to user's data. And now all of these companies seem to be working very hard to reverse all of it. It's a good thing that they are, and they seem to be genuinely doing it. But it's still seems a bi…

[citation needed] about those deals between Facebook and NSA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#44
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure listening to everyone equally is the definition of democracy.

If only we lived in a democracy rather than a constitutional republic.

Hey now, if you are going to be pedantic make sure you get your facts straight.

If I'm remembering right, prior to James Madison's writings, there wasn't a real distinction between democracy and republic, besides the fact that democracy was Greek and republic was Latin.

Madison in the Federalist Papers made the distinction between democracy and republic that are your talking about, but it is pretty arbitrary.

Now you are right that we don't live in a direct democracy (though states have features), but we are still a democracy and a republic.

Now that I am being pedantic someone will probably point out where I am in error, but I just felt like posting some information for whoever may find it useful. :)

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#45
post #4

I... don't understand. I'm not a facebook user, so, is it possible to use Facebook completely privately? Without anybody else than your friend seeing your information, not even third parties?

No, it's not possible. At least, your name, profile picture and cover picture will be shown to everybody.

It was possible to hide yourself from the search, but that doesn't work anymore.

You can hide your friend list as well, but there're some tricks that one can use to find out who are your friends.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#46
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#47
post #26
post #8

> When our engineers work tirelessly to improve security, we imagine we're protecting you against criminals, not our own government. Does it really matter who they're protecting us from?

More to the point, what's the difference between the government and criminals?

Criminals could not put you in jail for not giving them direct access to your servers.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#48
post #25

> That’s why at Facebook we spend a lot of our energy making our services and the whole internet safer and more secure. We encrypt communications, we use secure protocols for traffic, we encourage people to use multiple factors for authentication and we go out of our way to help fix issues we find in other people’s services. I have to call “bs” here. It took Facebook nine years – nine years! (2004–2013) – to turn HTT…

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Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#49

I'm sorry, coming from Zuck, this statement means very little to me. I guess I'm old school, but Zuck has shown disdain for the privacy of users in the past, FB actively tracks the movement of users across the net (likely without many realizing), and I'm under the impression that this culture that emphasizes sharing every fucking thing is more dangerous to people than the US government trying to get at data that they…

I'm more afraid of government than private industry.

Facebook will never have a Gitmo. It'll never send someone to a torture camp in Egypt. It'll never invade a country. It'll never confiscate property. It'll never put someone on the no-fly list. It'll never harass you at the border.

Yes, we should be openly critical of powerful corporations. But the downsides of misguided governance are much worse than even the most powerful corporations can muster.

So, I don't believe it's fair to compare what Facebook does to warrantless government spying. And I'm glad Zuck is publicly taking on this issue.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

#50
post #47
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More to the point, what's the difference between the government and criminals?

Criminals could not put you in jail for not giving them direct access to your servers.

So the only functional difference is that the government is worse than criminals?
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