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Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by hnnewguy »

arebop wrote: post #17
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #10

It's a little bit weird how a few years ago all those powerful tech company heads were meeting with the President. Then finally it came out that they all had made deals directly with the NSA and colluded to give them access to user's data. And now all of these companies seem to be working very hard to reverse all of it. It's a good thing that they are, and they seem to be genuinely doing it. But it's still seems a bi…

[citation needed] about those deals between Facebook and NSA.

That citation might be tough. But what do you honestly believe?

Personally, at this point, with all the Snowden revelations, it should be up to Facebook to prove to me that they aren't sharing information with the government.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by droopybuns »

Zikes wrote: post #27
johnnyg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How should they do it? Do you listen to everyone equally? Can it even be done?

I'm pretty sure listening to everyone equally is the definition of democracy.

If only we lived in a democracy rather than a constitutional republic.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by balls187 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #7

I've called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. This is why I am leaving government. I am about the same age as Zuck and have been working in government at many levels for about 12 years now and I work with people who have been working policy for over 40 years. The president couldn't care less what most of us think think...but because Zuck has sh…

You're leaving government because the President of the US won't take your phone call?

Did you quit school because your name wasn't in the textbooks?

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by jvagner »

droopybuns wrote: post #20

No call to action. No clear guidance on what exactly the bad things are. Typical facebook post. I wish Zuckerberg would have taken on Schneier's meme: Make bulk mass surveilance prohibitively expensive. Everyone can understand what's involved in making that happen.

Check our defense budgets. They don't go down. The NSA has massive data farms that are not constrained by budgets. That's not exactly the problem.

The more outlandish the plots on Scandal and House of Cards, and the funnier Jon Stewart gets to be, the more and more awful the truth revealed in the real news seems to be. We get the truth we're willing to accept... what else will come?

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by sharemywin »

zachrose wrote: post #16
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #7

I've called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. This is why I am leaving government. I am about the same age as Zuck and have been working in government at many levels for about 12 years now and I work with people who have been working policy for over 40 years. The president couldn't care less what most of us think think...but because Zuck has sh…

It's not just because Zuckerburg has personal wealth. It's also because Facebook directly employs thousands of people, pays corporate taxes, enables new markets that rely on Facebook, and sells advertising to all those other corporations. His age has nothing to do with it.

you mean avoid corporate taxes. http://www.policymic.com/articles/76011/facebook-has-figured...

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by droopybuns »

jvagner wrote: post #34
droopybuns wrote: post #20

No call to action. No clear guidance on what exactly the bad things are. Typical facebook post. I wish Zuckerberg would have taken on Schneier's meme: Make bulk mass surveilance prohibitively expensive. Everyone can understand what's involved in making that happen.

Check our defense budgets. They don't go down. The NSA has massive data farms that are not constrained by budgets. That's not exactly the problem. The more outlandish the plots on Scandal and House of Cards, and the funnier Jon Stewart gets to be, the more and more awful the truth revealed in the real news seems to be. We get the truth we're willing to accept... what else will come?

I so totally agree. But what's the alternative? We all quit?

Since Schneier's crypto reputation is not in question, I think it's reasonable to believe that there is a possible statelmate end state.

If everyone goes all in on certificate transparency, HSTS, and Cert Pinning, engineers can at least make life miserable on the Surveliance Industrial complex for a little while.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by RyJones »

byoogle wrote: post #25

> That’s why at Facebook we spend a lot of our energy making our services and the whole internet safer and more secure. We encrypt communications, we use secure protocols for traffic, we encourage people to use multiple factors for authentication and we go out of our way to help fix issues we find in other people’s services. I have to call “bs” here. It took Facebook nine years – nine years! (2004–2013) – to turn HTT…

Of course, FireSheep automated this attack in 2010.

http://codebutler.com/firesheep/

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Post by julespitt »

Zigurd wrote: post #30

Facebook was listed as one of the companies participating in PRISM, with a specific start date. None of the denials or other announcements made by any of the companies the NSA seemed pretty sure were collaborating addressed why they appeared on that list. Until there is a good explanation for why the NSA thinks they were collaborating, denials ring pretty hollow.

It's not clear from the slides that the companies were "participating" at all. Further Snowden leaks showed that the NSA was cracking large internet companies' internal systems communications. PRISM doesn't necessarily need their cooperation at all.
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