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Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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I... don't understand. I'm not a facebook user, so, is it possible to use Facebook completely privately? Without anybody else than your friend seeing your information, not even third parties?

Well, it's always accessible by Facebook itself, and those they're legally obliged to pass it on to.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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Tech companies are in a very awkward situation with regards to surveillance. It's hard to argue that individuals have an "expectation of privacy" in their Facebook content, when their thousand closest friends at Facebook are mining that information to sell them advertising. Indeed, you have the opposite of an expectation of privacy: you expect that your information will not be private.[1]

The business model built on harvesting user data to sell advertising is just fundamentally at odds with the scope of the 4th amendment's protection of privacy.

[1] You may expect that the government won't look at it, but that's not what "private" means for the purposes of the 4th amendment. It doesn't just mean anything you don't want the government to see. To analogize, your house is private: you may invite selected guests in, but not your thousand closest friends at Facebook.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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I've called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. This is why I am leaving government. I am about the same age as Zuck and have been working in government at many levels for about 12 years now and I work with people who have been working policy for over 40 years. The president couldn't care less what most of us think think...but because Zuck has sh…

it's just illuminating who the government listens to

If Obama and the gov actually listened to Zuck, the problem would be fixed. Heck at this point, it is not too farfetched to think that parts of the government don't listen to the President, even.

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I've called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. This is why I am leaving government. I am about the same age as Zuck and have been working in government at many levels for about 12 years now and I work with people who have been working policy for over 40 years. The president couldn't care less what most of us think think...but because Zuck has sh…

It's not just because Zuckerburg has personal wealth. It's also because Facebook directly employs thousands of people, pays corporate taxes, enables new markets that rely on Facebook, and sells advertising to all those other corporations. His age has nothing to do with it.

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It's a little bit weird how a few years ago all those powerful tech company heads were meeting with the President. Then finally it came out that they all had made deals directly with the NSA and colluded to give them access to user's data. And now all of these companies seem to be working very hard to reverse all of it. It's a good thing that they are, and they seem to be genuinely doing it. But it's still seems a bi…

[citation needed] about those deals between Facebook and NSA.

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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post #9

I've called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. This is why I am leaving government. I am about the same age as Zuck and have been working in government at many levels for about 12 years now and I work with people who have been working policy for over 40 years. The president couldn't care less what most of us think think...but because Zuck has sh…

How should they do it? Do you listen to everyone equally? Can it even be done?

I have no idea how they should do it.

It's just clear that if you have money, and a lot of it, you have a voice in shaping the world. If you don't have money regardless of what position you are in, you don't have a voice (extreme popular outliers excluded).

Re: Zuckerberg Expresses Frustration Over Surveillance

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No call to action. No clear guidance on what exactly the bad things are. Typical facebook post.

I wish Zuckerberg would have taken on Schneier's meme: Make bulk mass surveilance prohibitively expensive.

Everyone can understand what's involved in making that happen.

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