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Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by sp332 »

randomafrican wrote: post #5

May be I should download the brochure to learn more about the methodology but some of the countries at the bottom seem weird. North Korea is last ? Is there even room for corruption in the North Korean public sector ? I imagine it being arbitrary and all sort of things but I wouldn't dare attempting to bribe a North Korean official. Does Somalia even have a public sector ?

The Brochure is only one page and has no information about methodology. The most info I could find was "The CPI reflects the views of observers from around the world, including experts living and working in the countries and territories evaluated." from http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/in_detail

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by BugBrother »

3pt14159 wrote: post #4

The only one there that doesn't line up with my perceptions is Chile. I went there this time last year and their police and officials were nothing but transparent and professional. The fact that it isn't the same color as Canada must primarily be due to a general bias against South America as a whole.

It might be different in different part of public administration.

I spend time in Transylvania, Romania. I love to be here for the food, the people and the nature (there is a certain lack of seas, sadly).

That said, the country is a corrupt piece of sh-t. (I like to say: "The Romanians should shoot more than two politicians next time.")

But the police seems quite good. The rest of the justice systems (courts etc) are said to be a horror story that would need a plutoon of Kafkas to describe.

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by kubiiii »

randomafrican wrote: post #5

May be I should download the brochure to learn more about the methodology but some of the countries at the bottom seem weird. North Korea is last ? Is there even room for corruption in the North Korean public sector ? I imagine it being arbitrary and all sort of things but I wouldn't dare attempting to bribe a North Korean official. Does Somalia even have a public sector ?

I'll stand in line for a TL;DR of the methodology. Another thing bothering me is that corruption perception is somewhat relative. In some countries it is normal behaviour to bribe police agents or administration employees. It comes with the job, as a perk and is hardly considered as corruption. This is less likely to change the ranks of the countries, rather the dynamic of the perceived corruption levels.

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by rasmuskl »

busterarm wrote: post #6
throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day, there will be a Danish startup on "Who's hiring".

You might have to wait a while. Denmark has a very strong "nobody ever got fired contracting IBM" business culture. There are one or two consultancies in Copenhagen that I'm aware of that my friends work at and could recommend. Most startups there seem to be design outfits. I'm told incorporating there is hard but didn't seem so to me from the requirements I read - you just need a lot of money available at the outset…

There's lots of cool start-up culture in Denmark. (Podio, Zendesk, Zyb, etc)

While the system isn't always too kind to start-ups (high tax etc) they still do exist.

I've been working as a developer in Denmark for 7 years now (currently Xamarin) and haven't had a problem finding interesting projects.

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Post by tbarbugli »

3pt14159 wrote: post #4

The only one there that doesn't line up with my perceptions is Chile. I went there this time last year and their police and officials were nothing but transparent and professional. The fact that it isn't the same color as Canada must primarily be due to a general bias against South America as a whole.

1 (your experience) is not a very good sample for a statistical study :)

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by calibraxis »

This appears goofy.

"The 2012 CPI draws on 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions. The institutions are the African Development Bank, the Bertelsmann Foundation, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House, Global Insight, International Institute for Management Development, Political and Economic Risk Consultancy, Political Risk Services, the World Economic Forum, the World Bank and the World Justice Project." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)

Alex Cobham's Foreign Policy article explains it reflects "the opinions of an internationally focused elite, typically from a corporate background and perhaps a similar education". Preferable are alternatives where "a group of a country's citizens are considered instead of restricting the view to elite perceptions only". (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/07/22/corrupting_...)

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by willvarfar »

randomafrican wrote: post #5

May be I should download the brochure to learn more about the methodology but some of the countries at the bottom seem weird. North Korea is last ? Is there even room for corruption in the North Korean public sector ? I imagine it being arbitrary and all sort of things but I wouldn't dare attempting to bribe a North Korean official. Does Somalia even have a public sector ?

Re north Korea, it has an endemic amount of tolerated black market. There have been numerous articles on it.

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by randomafrican »

willvarfar wrote: post #17
randomafrican wrote: post #5

May be I should download the brochure to learn more about the methodology but some of the countries at the bottom seem weird. North Korea is last ? Is there even room for corruption in the North Korean public sector ? I imagine it being arbitrary and all sort of things but I wouldn't dare attempting to bribe a North Korean official. Does Somalia even have a public sector ?

Re north Korea, it has an endemic amount of tolerated black market. There have been numerous articles on it.

Ok but is it similar to the Black Market that existed in the 80's in the USSR or closer to the late 90's in Cuba ?

If it's the first case, it's argue that the most corrupt rank isn't deserved. If it's the latter, we're getting close but we're still far from places like Guinea-Bissau.

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by randomafrican »

calibraxis wrote: post #16

This appears goofy. "The 2012 CPI draws on 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions. The institutions are the African Development Bank, the Bertelsmann Foundation, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House, Global Insight, International Institute for Management Development, Political and Economic Risk Consultancy, Political Risk Services, the World Economic Forum, the World Bank and th…

I was about to argue that institutions like Freedom House are ideologically biased but then I realized that each of the institutions have very different biases.

Re: Corruption Perceptions Index 2013

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Post by bliker »

throwaway_yy2Di wrote: post #3
mathgladiator wrote: post #2

Makes me want to move the denmark :)

One day, there will be a Danish startup on "Who's hiring".

If you are looking for more established companies I would suggest LEGO [1] and Danfoss [2]. You can find many positions on their sites that could be interesting for HN crowd.

[1] http://jobs.lego.com/en-us/searchpage

[2] http://jobs.danfoss.com/jobs/

And Denmark is a Microsoft-land as far I know. So keep that in mind.

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