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Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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The Otto Group’s sales are up 17% in Germany since the recession, while Amazon’s have doubled since 2010. Huh? This comparison confused me. I wonder why the author didn't use the same years? What was the baseline?

I read it as 2010 being the baseline for both, with "since the recession" meaning 2010.

But it's fairly ambiguous. It could mean any number of things.

It could also be that the numbers for the Otto Group aren't public for whatever reason.

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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(This was nearly impossible to read on mobile)

    Michael Otto’s family has been as omnipresent in German
    postwar retail as Wal-Mart, Sears and Target have in the
    U.S. So what does this 70-year-old patriarch of this $18
    billion clan most want to talk about? A factory in 
    Bangladesh.

    With gusto he describes how he and Nobel Peace Prize-
    winner Muhammad Yunus hatched a plan to build a humane 
    clothing factory, where all profits would go back into the 
    community for schools and hospitals. At best, the Otto 
    Group would recoup its initial investment. Immediately 
    they faced red tape. Electricity would take five years. 
    Officials wanted bribes. Otto refused to base a social 
    business on a corrupt footing and walked away. “It’s 
    unbelievable,” says Otto, pounding on his wooden desk in 
    his corner office in Hamburg, Germany. “You would think 
    the government must be happy somebody is building such a 
    company and leaving the money in the country.”

    ...
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Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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Moral of the story is - people like their goods to be cheap, quickly delivered, and convenient to order. Amazon encompasses all of that and it seems that Otto's companies do not. I applaud his effort to put people ahead of profits, but unless he changes his business model amazon will continue to eclipse his empire.

Convenience here really is the main reason. On otto you still mostly have to use categories, on amazon you have an exceptional search. You have third party sellers on amazon and a streamlined buying process.

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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Moral of the story is - people like their goods to be cheap, quickly delivered, and convenient to order. Amazon encompasses all of that and it seems that Otto's companies do not. I applaud his effort to put people ahead of profits, but unless he changes his business model amazon will continue to eclipse his empire.

Counterpoint: Perhaps government should enact regulation to lift the floor to prevent a race to the bottom. Amazon warehouses shouldn't become the sweatshops of tomorrow. Governments exist to protect their citizens, not their businesses.

>>Governments exist to protect their citizens, not their businesses.

I totally agree. The problem is that many people defend businesses because, they say, those businesses provide people with jobs. Following this line of thinking, they are willing to completely ignore the shitty practices of said businesses, because in their eyes, jobs > *.

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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Moral of the story is - people like their goods to be cheap, quickly delivered, and convenient to order. Amazon encompasses all of that and it seems that Otto's companies do not. I applaud his effort to put people ahead of profits, but unless he changes his business model amazon will continue to eclipse his empire.

Counterpoint: Perhaps government should enact regulation to lift the floor to prevent a race to the bottom. Amazon warehouses shouldn't become the sweatshops of tomorrow. Governments exist to protect their citizens, not their businesses.

"Amazon warehouses shouldn't become the sweatshops of tomorrow"

They already are...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25034598

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03k5kzp/Panorama_Amazo...

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/01/week-amazo...

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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post #7

There's such a strong negative connotation to "burning out" in the article. If an employee puts in a solid 2-3 years and delivers great results for a company, "burns out", and then moves on to a new role or company, is that really that bad? The company (in this case, Amazon) got great results from its employee, the employee had a good experience (and can leverage it to get a promotion, internally or externally). I gu…

I think it's more a question of what someone wants out of life. If your job is your life, than that makes more sense. If you value things outside of whatever you do for money, then working to burnout is only going to harm those other aspects of your life and ultimately you.

I don't think it's unreasonable to put some grey space between being the best you can be and being laid back. Something like working reasonable hours, being thoroughly successful in your career, and still engaging in outside activities. I think that burning out=being the best you can be is pretty shortsighted.

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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post #10

The Otto Group’s sales are up 17% in Germany since the recession, while Amazon’s have doubled since 2010. Huh? This comparison confused me. I wonder why the author didn't use the same years? What was the baseline?

I read it as 2010 being the baseline for both, with "since the recession" meaning 2010. But it's fairly ambiguous. It could mean any number of things. It could also be that the numbers for the Otto Group aren't public for whatever reason.

Wasn't 2010 basically the "mission accomplished" point for the recession where the recovery was officially declared to have begun? Maybe they're just assuming everybody knows that.

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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post #7

There's such a strong negative connotation to "burning out" in the article. If an employee puts in a solid 2-3 years and delivers great results for a company, "burns out", and then moves on to a new role or company, is that really that bad? The company (in this case, Amazon) got great results from its employee, the employee had a good experience (and can leverage it to get a promotion, internally or externally). I gu…

"I guess it depends on what employees are looking for in their career - to be the best they can be, or live a laid back lifestyle."

You're not being the best when you burn out. You're killing yourself and your productivity with it. We have decades of research concluding that productivity falls when you're overworked.

"The company (in this case, Amazon) got great results from its employee, the employee had a good experience"

The employee does not have a good experience when they're working themselves to exhaustion.

"If an employee puts in a solid 2-3 years and delivers great results for a company, "burns out", and then moves on to a new role or company, is that really that bad?"

Yes, because companies shouldn't have to work their employees to the bone to extract value from them. A long time ago, we decided that it's cruel, and created labor laws. Where have you been?

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: Perhaps government should enact regulation to lift the floor to prevent a race to the bottom. Amazon warehouses shouldn't become the sweatshops of tomorrow. Governments exist to protect their citizens, not their businesses.

"Amazon warehouses shouldn't become the sweatshops of tomorrow" They already are... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25034598 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03k5kzp/Panorama_Amazo... http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/01/week-amazo...

I'm aware. I have more faith in the German government protecting its citizens compared to the US government.

Re: Amazon's War On The House Of Otto, Germany's $18 Billion Family

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post #12

(This was nearly impossible to read on mobile) Michael Otto’s family has been as omnipresent in German postwar retail as Wal-Mart, Sears and Target have in the U.S. So what does this 70-year-old patriarch of this $18 billion clan most want to talk about? A factory in Bangladesh. With gusto he describes how he and Nobel Peace Prize- winner Muhammad Yunus hatched a plan to build a humane clothing factory, where all pro…

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