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Re: Evicted in San Francisco

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It's amazing how so many people refuse to accept that out-of-control housing prices are due to artificial scarcity, and that the solution is deregulation, rather than even more idiotic rent control and eviction regulations. David Campos is now trying to enact legislation to penalize Ellis Act evictions. More than two decades after the USSR collapsed, and people are still clinging to socialist ideologies.

I'm pretty sure the ordinances against housing construction in SF have very little to do with socialism or the USSR...

The zoning laws are good old NIMBYism. But the rent control? That's good ol' socialism.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#82

After seeing some eviction processes myself, I'm not sure what more one can do for someone like this. I've seen a few evictions where the occupants seem to completely deny what's happening, refuse to help themselves, and refuse outside assistance. On top of the denial, this woman was actively antagonistic, which made things all that much harder. Yes, the current housing situation in SF is bad, but this is a failure o…

The article is very carefully written, such that the reader can take issue with whatever fits their own bias. Its a very well done article in general, and provides ammo for both sides to sling each other with.

IMO, the intelligent reader will see the story for what it is. A tragedy... and a realization on what happens when tenants don't like being evicted.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#83
post #36

We don't have a strong enough social welfare net (or enough resources there-in) to care for folks that need care; but, we're not comfortable letting them starve on the streets either. The result? Essentially innocent people, like the property owner, get "stuck" with "it's your problem now" where various agencies give contradictory mandates, backed with fines. How was property owner supposed to respond when told he mu…

I don't even think a stronger safety net would have helped in this case. It sounds like she simply wasn't interested in changing anything and that just doesn't work when you have to move and have to change your lifestyle (e.g. stop hoarding). This is all-too-familiar to me, after having helped a couple older relatives through serious late-life changes like this. Further, the general lack of safety net doesn't really…

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

$1300 a month isn't a lot, but I would be really surprised if there's not somewhere in the SF bay area or a nearby city (Sacramento, etc) where it couldn't cover a small apartment or studio, utilities, and normal monthly costs like groceries.

As noted in other comments, it makes the focus of the article feel disingenuous as compared to people who are being priced out of their homes and don't have any safety net at all.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#84

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It's almost as if excessive regulation and NIMBY-ism in San Francisco has created an artifical bubble of hyper inflated housing prices that causes the most harm to the people who are in most need of help. Damn.

almost? this is precisely the case.

Even the most obvious of sarcasm is poorly adapted to the comments section of Hacker News.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#85
Unproductive people can be unproductive anywhere, and it does not make sense for them to take up precious space in places like San Francisco or New York City. They should move to cheaper areas.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#86
I just don't get how you can defend this tenant at all. She was constantly unpleasant, didn't pay rent, didn't even bother trying until the last possible second at which point it was "well what options do I have?" It's as if she believed she deserved to live in a house she didn't own for the same price in perpetuity. How does this belief make any sense and why should people sympathize with it? The idea that the owner had to pay his tenant 14k to get her out while she was refusing to pay rent and didn't leave anyway is absolutely maddening. These laws need to change.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

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post #43

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There are many working-age, highly-paid individuals who rent housing, and are evicted for various reasons, so this may not be the least sympathetic case of eviction.

A sample can be unrepresentative of the mean/median/mode of a distribution without being maximal or minimal.

I intentionally avoided use of the word "unrepresentative", as I was not sure what would qualify as representative of those who have been evicted. I understand that my use of "sympathetic" may be viewed as similarly vague, but I believe that its meaning may be more well-understood.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#88

The empathy deprived Randian hordes that flock to these stories on HN to display their superiority over those less well off than them make me physically ill.

Totally agree.

This entire situation is quite a shame for all involved - it's a dreadful problem without a good resolution.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#89

We don't have a strong enough social welfare net (or enough resources there-in) to care for folks that need care; but, we're not comfortable letting them starve on the streets either. The result? Essentially innocent people, like the property owner, get "stuck" with "it's your problem now" where various agencies give contradictory mandates, backed with fines. How was property owner supposed to respond when told he mu…

It's almost as if excessive regulation and NIMBY-ism in San Francisco has created an artifical bubble of hyper inflated housing prices that causes the most harm to the people who are in most need of help. Damn.

This comes up every now and then. I'm really not sure there is as much NIMBYism in SF relative to other cities as many people believe. By the way, by "not really sure", I mean not really sure. I just view it as more of an open question than many people here on HN do.

Here's where I'm coming from - SF is small, old, and largely built. It's in the middle of a very large metropolitan area, but it includes many of the old parts that have had high population densities for a long time. Contrast that with the population densities of most American cities, and the general land area. With the exception of New York, SF much smaller and more densely populated than almost all of the regions used in these comparisons.

Now, when someone builds a large housing development far from the urban center of, say, Houston, that counts as development for Houston. When this happens in Walnut Creek, it goes down as not developing in SF.

So the way I'd answer this question - and I haven't yet - is to look at subregions in major met regions in the US that have had a population density of above 17,000/sq mi for more than 50 years, and try to measure how much development has occurred within those areas in the last 20 years, or what kind of opposition to new development happens in those regions now.

My refutable hypothesis is that SF will no longer show a dramatically different pattern of NIMBYism from those sub-regions outside San Francisco. That doesn't mean it won't show NIMBYism, or that it won't show more NIMBYism than other old, relatively dense regions - I just think that it may reveal that "population density over 17000/sq mi for more than several decades" correlates with general opposition to new construction regardless of whether it happens in SF.

Like I said, I haven't checked, it's just an idea. This would actually take some work to investigate.

Re: Evicted in San Francisco

#90
post #41

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I have no sympathy for the owner. He knew he had a tenant when he bought the property. The fact the unit was illegal was caveat emptor, yet she's the one who had to pay the price.

Ah, yes; how dare she be evicted for threatening to burn the building down, refusing to pay rent, refusing to attend court summons, complaining about her neighbors for having the temerity to turn on a sprinkler, and turning her home into a disgusting pit? Clearly those are all natural rights of tenants, and the landlord should have just accepted her with all her quirks when he bought the property. Come on. It's sad t…

Agreed

Given the "[a]t first, Withrington accepted Inge’s presence", I would think that if she'd been a clean and polite tenant it's entirely possible the new landlord would have had no motivation to evict her. There may not even have been the complaint, given the article's not-so-subtle way of saying "maybe the landlord submitted it!!".

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