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Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by omouse » Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 10:37 PM UTC

mcantelon wrote: post #38

omouse wrote: post #17

Wait wait wait, this is a sensationalist headline. The submitter obviously picked an AP story to frame them as evil. iCopyright is the company that provides this Fair Use-violating service and here are some of their clients http://info.icopyright.com/conductor.asp * The Globe & Mail * REUTERS * Associated Press * The Toronto Star * Ziff Davis Media * The Boston Globe

Because a company is a client of iCopyright doesn't necessarily mean they're using the same product/service as AP or employing the same pricing model. iCopyright, like most companies, likely provides more than one product/service.

If you read the page, you could see that all of them are using the same set of products/services, namely iCopyright Conductor which is the reprint/DRM bullshit.

Don't just tar & feather AP, tar & feather the whole bunch that are clients of this company!

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by SwellJoe » Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 10:38 PM UTC

dotcoma wrote: post #25

omouse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, other newspaper/magazine companies are doing it too, it isn't just AP as the submitter would like us to believe.

Then, if many people decide to commit suicide, they actually don't die ;)

They get to ride on a spaceship!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_gr...

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by joshu » Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 10:41 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #12

I think I owe them a lot of money. Do the words have to be consecutive ? In order ? In the same article ? That's going to make the AP a lot of money I bet. It's going to be hard to get on without them, but we're certainly going to try our best. btw, I'm fairly sure there is a legally allowed minimum that you can quote from anything under fair use.

Why is this comment being voted down?

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by randallsquared » Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 11:25 PM UTC

jakewolf wrote: post #11

I'm thinking this is a good time to start an AP for blogs where bloggers can write articles to be syndicated among other blog.

What's the point of that? We already have hyperlinks.

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by delano » Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 11:31 PM UTC

semiquaver wrote: post #40

delano wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their data. They can do whatever they want with it.

"It's my business, I can refuse to hire blacks if I want to."

I fail to see the connection.

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by le_dominator » Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 11:42 PM UTC

semiquaver wrote: post #40

delano wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their data. They can do whatever they want with it.

"It's my business, I can refuse to hire blacks if I want to."

Haha that's a bit of a stretch! If it's their own internal data and they want to monetize it in this way, the market will decide whether the price they set is worthy of the product being sold.

While I might disagree with the usefulness/pricing of their data considering widely available alternative sources it isn't exactly on par with maligning someone's civil rights :D

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by jhancock » Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 12:41 AM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #36

greyman wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are probably right. But there is another interesting question - is for-profit news aggregation, where you quote a part of the article, fair use? Bloggers do that, user-powered aggregator sites do that, but is it fair use? Because in most cases, the quote itself carries a news value, and those quoting websites are commercial venues. I am just asking...

One of the four things that can (safely) make something fair use is if it's transformative, which news aggregation is.

Is there some case law or legislation you can point out that aggregation counts as transformative?

I hope that it would be. But my non-legal view of the term transformative says aggregation is not.

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 12:50 AM UTC

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Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by trapper » Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 1:00 AM UTC

greyman wrote: post #32

Alex3917 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's still legal to quote them according to fair use, so who cares what they put on their website?

You are probably right. But there is another interesting question - is for-profit news aggregation, where you quote a part of the article, fair use? Bloggers do that, user-powered aggregator sites do that, but is it fair use? Because in most cases, the quote itself carries a news value, and those quoting websites are commercial venues. I am just asking...

I've always found it quite strange that the people who make the money off an article (assuming diggs/reddits etc are generating revenue) are those who merely aggregate content and submit it to these sites. They add nothing to the equation.

I don't see this as fair use.

Re: $12.50 to quote 5 words of an AP story

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Post by j_baker » Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 1:23 AM UTC

greyman wrote: post #32

Alex3917 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's still legal to quote them according to fair use, so who cares what they put on their website?

You are probably right. But there is another interesting question - is for-profit news aggregation, where you quote a part of the article, fair use? Bloggers do that, user-powered aggregator sites do that, but is it fair use? Because in most cases, the quote itself carries a news value, and those quoting websites are commercial venues. I am just asking...

It's more difficult to prove, but having been for commercial use doesn't preclude fair-use:

"While commercial copying for profit work may make it harder to qualify as fair use, it does not make it impossible. For instance, in the 2 Live Crew—Oh, Pretty Woman case, it was ruled that commercial parody can be fair use."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Common_misunderstandin...