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Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

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Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

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post #4

The problem is real but changing the word won't solve it - we'll just repeat the same cycle all over again.

Seriously. I like the focus on practical productivity but was surprised by the conclusion. "Let's all change from saying agile to saying agility" feels like quibbling over semantics. (Fixed spelling, thanks)

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#12
You're right that good ideas like eco and also agile follow that growth curve. After a while the original idea and intention is partly lost on the way to economy and marketing. I observed that in the organic movement around 2000 as well. It is never totally lost, the impulse improved reality, but we need new ideas, new movements to hold spirit, values and ideas high. I don't know what you think about our impulse wholeheartedmanifesto.org which we started this February. Let's focus on the doing and on being authentic.. that's what counts. Thanks for your blog. Christine

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#13
Well said. A friend of mine is another company are supposedly moving to "Agile". Their approach is to have whole day meetings to discuss how it will work! Three months later they're still planning how their Agile, Scrum based thing will work. The conferences, the consultancies, the big companies, etc. really have destroyed the essence of the Agile manifesto in many ways.

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#14
post #4

The problem is real but changing the word won't solve it - we'll just repeat the same cycle all over again.

Seriously. I like the focus on practical productivity but was surprised by the conclusion. "Let's all change from saying agile to saying agility" feels like quibbling over semantics. (Fixed spelling, thanks)

semantics*

technically that was a syntax quibble though, so the joke doesn't work as well

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#15
I never really understood this whole rage about agile and some people preaching it like a religion. You can't fit everyone in one frame, people are different. As the matter of fact the better the engineer the more quirks he will have. Some people like to jog, some like to sprint and rest, but if they cover the same distance and reach the finish in the same time, who cares what methodology they use? Even though I probably use quite a few agile ideas I don't call it agile or anything else, I call it development.

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#16
post #3

Personally I find that this line "Responding to Change over Following a Plan" does much more harm than good. It should read "You should have a plan but should rather be prepared to change it constantly than stick with it dogmatically". I would say that when you are within a project team it should emphasize the agile values but once you are on an organizational level where several project teams need to co-operate to d…

I think they worded it correctly. Notice it doesn't say, "Responding to Change over Making a Plan." Your version is horribly ugly. Theirs is succinct and poetic.

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#17
The agile principles are fairly solid, as far as principles go. They're people-first and they downplay process and planning. You can't blindly follow a plan, process, or ideal. Think. Communicate. The right thing to do changes in every situation. You can't follow dogma.

But the idea that we should switch to a new word because the old one has been abused makes no sense. Why rally behind a word? Brands and labels only serve to stop people from thinking. They go against the whole idea.

Words become dogma. Hell, even principles become dogma. Trying to distill it down to something that's easy to digest robs it of its value.

The solution isn't a better dogma. It's people who can think. If you don't have the right people, no principle will save you.

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#18
I once attended a meeting where a manager said "We won't be doing agile, but we will work with more agility", which basically translated to we won't be changing our existing process.

Agile to me is real: it has not been diluted as I know exactly how I will implement an agile process (scrum in my instance). I don't care if others misuse or misunderstand the term. For me it's concrete.

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

#19
post #7

I found that no methodology works as well as getting the right people in and let them organise themselves. If you have the wrong people, it doesn't matter what methodology or process you bring in, you're screwed. On that basis, methodology isn't that relevant. I just watched a company apply SCRUM to apparently solve process problems and it just made things worse because the staff aren't disciplined or interested in w…

"getting the right people in and let them organize themselves"

That's a large part of what agility was/is about. The rest also matches up pretty well.

Re: Agile Is Dead (Long Live Agility)

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post #7

I found that no methodology works as well as getting the right people in and let them organise themselves. If you have the wrong people, it doesn't matter what methodology or process you bring in, you're screwed. On that basis, methodology isn't that relevant. I just watched a company apply SCRUM to apparently solve process problems and it just made things worse because the staff aren't disciplined or interested in w…

"getting the right people in and let them organize themselves" That's a large part of what agility was/is about. The rest also matches up pretty well.

Actually I disagree. The large part (possibly not the intent) was about building a consulting empire around something utterly vague with multiple religious opinions about the best way to perform these manifesto actions.

A vehicle for rats.

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