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STEM Shortage Claims and Facebook's $19 Billion Acquisition of WhatsApp

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Perhaps this is why tech companies have so little ambition: a constant stream of new blood ensures some things change (yak shaving), but never anything substantial that requires extensive experience. Instead, everyone just props up the technological status quo for their CRUD website.

Some of the most fascinating and, frankly, lucid technology discussions I have had were with highly experienced (dare I say, older ) engineers who actually know a thing or two. I find it completely scandalous that, in addition to these guys getting punished in the hiring process, the industry does not really seem to learn from them. Software engineering seems like a field that does not tend to advance in any real sen…

Programming really is a pop culture.

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One cannot complain about the 'bad' companies being 'unfair'. It is a consequence of globalization. If, say, Indian_Software_Company A can do the IT overhaul of US_Retailer B at a price point cheaper than US_Software_Company C, then in a non-protectionist world, nothing should prevent Indian_Software_Company A from getting the contract. I am not a software engineer, so I do not know if Indian_Software_Company A is ch…

In a non-protectionist world there would be free movement of labor and so there would be nothing stopping say a US or European developer moving overseas to follow the work if that it what they desired. Sadly this is not the case so off-shoring is equally as protectionist which is where a lot of the criticism comes from. Globalization as currently implemented simply moves work to where it is cheaper as protectionist i…

> In a non-protectionist world there would be free movement of labor and so there would be nothing stopping say a US or European developer moving overseas to follow the work if that it what they desired. Sadly this is not the case so off-shoring is equally as protectionist which is where a lot of the criticism comes from.

Would like to disagree. An American passport allows you to work from, pretty much most other OECD countries in the world. So, if Singapore has a better job market for techies than the US, nothing prevents one from relocating. But in my experience, American citizens are, on average, more reluctant to relocate even between US states, than immigrants. Indians or Chinese leave their families and relocate 10000 miles to live and work in the US. But most Americans I've met aren't as eager to relocate to say, Singapore (or even jump from one coast to the other or to the mid-west), even if prospects for jobs are better.

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It's not quite that - it's that the organizational structure prevents middle-managers from acting on their knowledge even if they do recognize talent. Imagine that you are responsible for a department of people, all of whom need to work together to accomplish a big job. Assume that talent is normally distributed - maybe you have 1 superstar and 1 idiot, 10 high performers and 10 laggards, and 100 average developers.…

You make a really strong point. I think the problem you described above is why, in truth, closed allocation tech companies are destined to fail. Closed/open allocation is a continuum in reality, but the more closed a technology company is, the quicker it rots. The "Real Googler Line" concept (and, as you know, I was only at Google for half a year and have no insight into what the place is like now) is the recognition…

I don't think open allocation works either once you get past Dunbar's Number. Instead of making politics go away, it makes it worse. All the political considerations that are out in the open when you're managing a formal org structure become hidden in the backroom deals of who wants to work with who else and how they want to go about doing it.

Here's another observation for you: there is a system where there is no org chart and nobody telling anybody else what to work on. That system is the startup ecosystem. And the end result of that system is what you term "VC-istan": some players become more powerful than others, and they freely choose who they want to associate with based on reputation, or how well their personalities mesh, or pattern-matching on previous successes, or who they went to college with.

The only "solution" I could come up with is that there is no solution. If you give people agency and freedom of association, you will eventually run into situations where their freedom to act impinges on someone else's freedom to act, and it is impossible to let both of them work on what they wish without forcing one or the other to make tradeoffs. Or, alternatively, they could both choose to work alone, in which case it is impossible to build anything larger than what one person can do by himself. Once you see that tradeoff, it's possible to make choices that stake out various parts of that space, eg. another thread currently on HN [1] describes how your options are management, niche development, or consulting as you get older.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7373301

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I'm not sure if this is sarcastic

Of course it's not. Why is it reasonable to pay lawyers $600/hr but to pay a skilled computer engineer the same is interpreted as a joke? That's not a rhetorical question -- I'd really like to know the answer. Actually, I suspect I know the answer in many cases, but I'm curious what other people think.

My understanding of how legal billing works is that you aren't actually buying one person's time for $600/hr, but you're buying a team of junior paralegals, legal secretaries, and young associates and one big-name attorney to supervise them. The big-name attorneys make a lot, but nowhere close to $600/hour; even if they're partners, a lot of money is going to the salaries of the paralegals, legal secretaries, and $160K/year associates under them.

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If any parents are out there, please don't do this. Your children are independent adults and they have their own values and goals. They are not an investment opportunity or a vessel for your own unfulfilled aspirations. If you make your kids feel that you're disappointed in them you're just going to make them miserable and resentful and you'll have a lousy relationship as adults. Please value your children's happines…

It's a fine line that's hard to walk. In stark contrast to my asian parents, my wife had hippie Oregonian parents who said "do whatever makes you happy!" She regrets a little that they never gave her the information and support she needed to pursue Ivy-league colleges. It's not your job as a parent to prioritize happiness over prestige and money, just as its not your job to prioritize the other way. What you bring to…

Your wife's parents might not have known. There was an article no too long ago describing how kids in the midwest are at a disadvantage because kids never learn to perceive elite schools as substantially better than most state schools.

My opinion is that the real value of elite prep schools is that they teach (indoctrinate?) you elite values through the culture, your peers, actions of your peers etc. They tell you what to do, instill in you a belief that you are "worthy" and capable and give you the tools on how to do it.

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In a non-protectionist world there would be free movement of labor and so there would be nothing stopping say a US or European developer moving overseas to follow the work if that it what they desired. Sadly this is not the case so off-shoring is equally as protectionist which is where a lot of the criticism comes from. Globalization as currently implemented simply moves work to where it is cheaper as protectionist i…

> In a non-protectionist world there would be free movement of labor and so there would be nothing stopping say a US or European developer moving overseas to follow the work if that it what they desired. Sadly this is not the case so off-shoring is equally as protectionist which is where a lot of the criticism comes from. Would like to disagree. An American passport allows you to work from, pretty much most other OEC…

Last I checked non-Singapore citizens and Permanent Residents need an Employment Pass (EP) to work as a skilled worker in Singapore and such a pass must be applied for by the employer. So under that scenario you need a visa and sponsorship by an employer. There is a new system called PEP which does not require sponsorship by the employer, but has additional requirements in terms of base salary and restrictions on employment, but again it still counts as requiring a visa.

So having "just an American passport" does not allow you work in a country like Singapore without applying for a visa. While the Singapore system might be more flexible than other such as the US, it certainly is not "free movement of labor".

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Very well written article and I can add some context being in the unhired category of engineers. I graduated from Georgia Tech sometime in the last couple of years with a 3.64 GPA. I know that GPA doesn't mean much but really at Georgia Tech they make you work for it like a dog. I have some projects on GitHub and well I thought companies would come knocking at my door. Boy was I mistaken. So I started applying late i…

Engineering is a suckers game. Go back into consulting, apply for an MBA from an elite school and come back as a manager at any of the companies

And if your accent is a problem then do whatever it takes: go to a speech therapist. Actors do it all the time and so do CEOs (Vikram Pandit).

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This post is largely about discrimination and uses Brian Acton as a timely centerpiece. The truth is however more complex (IMHO): - Culture matters a lot in hiring. By this I mean a Stanford grad is much more likely to hire another Stanford grad in a field of qualified candidates. This isn't simply a form of nepotism as such. Two grads from the same college will share a larger common cultural base; - The culture the…

It allows bodyshops to hire people from, say, China and India and pay them a pittance The H1B lets you transfer your visa very easily. The frustrating thing is that people aren't aware they can do it.

At Hired, we found that candidates who are on H1B visas get 1/3rd fewer job offers. So yes, technically transfers are easy, but you definitely reduce the number of potential employers.

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>Myth : The highest paid are in the 30-40 age bracket. I'm not saying people are not paid money I'm saying older people will expect higher salaries based on their experience compared to younger people despite the direct value they can contribute to a company. Value = money. >...but they already know so much more that learning is less important. They know it already! Yes, they know so much... of things no one uses any…

> Technology changes fast and what is useful to know now won't be in 15 years. This claim is bandied about way too carelessly. Application level tools do change quite fast. The fundamentals of technology do not. Knowledge of networking, TCP/IP, x86 assembly, stack discipline, cache implementations, etc. is comparatively timeless. For instance, one of CMU's core CS/ECE classes (213) has been taught in roughly the same…

This is truth.

Concepts are eternal and new ones don't come along very often. Tools and languages on the other hand are transitory.

Understanding the concepts well and you will be employable for longer than if you are an expert in tool or language X.

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> In a non-protectionist world there would be free movement of labor and so there would be nothing stopping say a US or European developer moving overseas to follow the work if that it what they desired. Sadly this is not the case so off-shoring is equally as protectionist which is where a lot of the criticism comes from. Would like to disagree. An American passport allows you to work from, pretty much most other OEC…

Last I checked non-Singapore citizens and Permanent Residents need an Employment Pass (EP) to work as a skilled worker in Singapore and such a pass must be applied for by the employer. So under that scenario you need a visa and sponsorship by an employer. There is a new system called PEP which does not require sponsorship by the employer, but has additional requirements in terms of base salary and restrictions on emp…

Thread is getting too deep for HN, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore%E2%80%93United_State....
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