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Re: iOS 7.1

#181

Post by qq66 »

jwr wrote: post #133

> "iPhone 4 users will enjoy improved responsiveness and performance" I hear: "iPhone 4 users will be slightly less screwed over this time". I am updating as fast as I can, because frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade that I (regrettably) did. No matter how iOS 7.1 works on my iPhone 4, I will remember how I got screwed by the 7.0 update. In the future I will never upgrade to a major new OS version…

One major question that I have for everyone who upgrades iOS on launch day is, "why?" Nobody upgrades non-Apple operating systems on Day 1. Sometimes people wait for an entire year to upgrade the OS, because the device is functional at the old OS and risks becoming nonfunctional with the new OS.

Yet I continue to see people upgrade OS X and iOS on launch day, often with predictably regrettable results.

Re: iOS 7.1

#182

Post by bduerst »

mikeash wrote: post #156
bduerst wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I think the better term is locked out of the ancient CDMA networks of Verizon. Nexus series is GSM, which is used globally, except for Verizon in the U.S. Samsung (w/ Verizon) install so much bloatware on their new Android phones it is bordering ridiculous. Why would new Galaxy S4 users want an uninstallable NFL app? The Motorola and LG Nexus android phones are comparable to iOS in terms of actually worki…

> Not really. I think the better term is locked out of the ancient CDMA networks of Verizon. Nexus series is GSM, which is used globally, except for Verizon in the U.S. Don't overstate the rarity of CDMA or the ubiquity of GSM. Yes, GSM is effectively the global standard, but CDMA is way more popular than you say. Examples of other CDMA networks include China Telecom (40+ million subscribers) and au by KDDI in Japan…

It is as bad as I am saying it is, regardless of your cherry picking. You can see GSM (red) vs CDMA (blue) global adoption rate here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Cel...

The Nexus and Motorola phones work fine on GSM. If anything, it's more of a reason to buy them than avoid them like you said.

Edit: And I quote:

>"Maybe not Google Nexus, but then you're locked into the inferior network coverage of AT&T or T-Mobile."

Re: iOS 7.1

#183

Post by bduerst »

zequel wrote: post #179
bduerst wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I think the better term is locked out of the ancient CDMA networks of Verizon. Nexus series is GSM, which is used globally, except for Verizon in the U.S. Samsung (w/ Verizon) install so much bloatware on their new Android phones it is bordering ridiculous. Why would new Galaxy S4 users want an uninstallable NFL app? The Motorola and LG Nexus android phones are comparable to iOS in terms of actually worki…

I personally had a terrible experience with the Motorola Droid. It worked well initially but got progressively worse with each update. Crashed constantly. Every update added bloatware (CityID, Madden, etc..), very frustrating. I went running back to iOS (iPhone5) and can't be happier.

Isn't that a five year old phone? I don't use one now but I think they might be a bit better now, at least I've heard good things about Moto X.

Re: iOS 7.1

#184

Post by frik »

elboru wrote: post #96
amima wrote: post #55

The most annoying bug of iOS 7 was crashing of Safari. For iPad Air it happened for me all the time, every day 3-10 crashes during regular usage. Using other browser did not help - the problem was deeper, all browsers shared this issue. My biggest hope for 7.1 was this bug being fixed. But no, Safari still fails. How to reproduce: 1. Go to someone's mobile.twitter.com account, like https://mobile.twitter.com/newsycom…

I experienced that bug with Google Chrome, it use to happen when I open "too many" tabs (10 or more). Not sure if that's google's or apple's fault.

I doubt it has anything todo with the number of tabs. I had hundreds of tabs open in Chrome. As Chrome keeps only the last few pages in memory, that's not an issue. But some very JavaScript heavy sites can be an issue, especially with devices that have only 512MB of memory.

Re: iOS 7.1

#185

Post by mikeash »

bduerst wrote: post #182
mikeash wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not really. I think the better term is locked out of the ancient CDMA networks of Verizon. Nexus series is GSM, which is used globally, except for Verizon in the U.S. Don't overstate the rarity of CDMA or the ubiquity of GSM. Yes, GSM is effectively the global standard, but CDMA is way more popular than you say. Examples of other CDMA networks include China Telecom (40+ million subscribers) and au by KDDI in Japan…

It is as bad as I am saying it is, regardless of your cherry picking. You can see GSM (red) vs CDMA (blue) global adoption rate here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Cel... The Nexus and Motorola phones work fine on GSM. If anything, it's more of a reason to buy them than avoid them like you said. Edit: And I quote: >"Maybe not Google Nexus, but then you're locked into the inferior network co…

No, it's not. You said GSM is used everywhere except Verizon in the US. That's just plain wrong.

If you'd like to say that your point remains valid, I completely agree. But if you're going to insist that your factually incorrect statement is not wrong, we're going to have a problem.

Also, I did not say anything about reasons for buying different kinds of phones. I only talked about the number of different kinds of networks available throughout the world.

Re: iOS 7.1

#186

Post by jmelloy »

twoodfin wrote: post #15
TruthSHIFT wrote: post #8

I've never seen this much marketing for a minor iOS update. I wonder what prompted the change.

When they've discussed Android in the past year or so, Apple execs like Cook and Schiller seem to have focused on two areas where they feel iOS has an advantage over Android: - Android lacks many decent tablet applications; most of them are blown-up phone versions. - The Android ecosystem is fragmented. Very few devices (proportionally) are running the latest release, and it can take years for new features to be wide…

Also, I think that iOS 7 has gotten mixed press. (Like it, hate it, not-quite-baked, etc) that it's worth making a big deal of 7.1.

Re: iOS 7.1

#187

Post by bduerst »

runjake wrote: post #153
bduerst wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App Ops is virtually the same as the privacy controls for iOS. It was pulled early from the Kit Kat release because it was breaking so many apps.

It was never intended for end user use, according to Google: http://www.pocketables.com/2013/12/google-clears-app-ops-con...

For now, yes. Like most things (e.g. Chromecast SDK) they don't speculate until the release is complete.

>The current UI is definitely not something that is appropriate for end users; it is mostly for platform engineers (a tool for examining, debugging, and testing the state of that part of the system), maybe some day for third party developers. In what form these features might be available in the regular UI I couldn’t really speculate about.

Re: iOS 7.1

#188

Post by bananas »

blibble wrote: post #137
acangiano wrote: post #27

Having recently switched from an iPhone to an Android smartphone, I really question the "most advanced mobile OS" claim. Apple phones are more polished, more logically organized, easier to use, more intuitive... fair enough. But more advanced? Not by a long shot. The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane. You can argue that this is not necessarily a good thing for the average user, but you…

last year I wrote a short complaint to the UK's Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) about their use of "world's most desktop advanced operating system" to describe OS X. here are the responses I received: 1: http://imgur.com/mflFaHW 2: http://imgur.com/ndxyzlM you'll now notice that the UK page doesn't contain that false statement: compare http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/ vs. http://www.apple.com/osx/

On what basis did you suggest that it wasn't the most advanced?

I'm interested from a technical perspective. From a deep software development point of view, I'm familiar with OSX, FreeBSD, Linux and Windows and know their technical merits well.

Re: iOS 7.1

#189

Post by blibble »

bananas wrote: post #188
blibble wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last year I wrote a short complaint to the UK's Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) about their use of "world's most desktop advanced operating system" to describe OS X. here are the responses I received: 1: http://imgur.com/mflFaHW 2: http://imgur.com/ndxyzlM you'll now notice that the UK page doesn't contain that false statement: compare http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/ vs. http://www.apple.com/osx/

On what basis did you suggest that it wasn't the most advanced? I'm interested from a technical perspective. From a deep software development point of view, I'm familiar with OSX, FreeBSD, Linux and Windows and know their technical merits well.

I didn't, I just said that the comment was debatable, and that's enough to make the advertising misleading.

I don't think anyone could disagree with that, even the most ardent Apple crusader.

Re: iOS 7.1

#190

Post by bananas »

qq66 wrote: post #181
jwr wrote: post #133

> "iPhone 4 users will enjoy improved responsiveness and performance" I hear: "iPhone 4 users will be slightly less screwed over this time". I am updating as fast as I can, because frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade that I (regrettably) did. No matter how iOS 7.1 works on my iPhone 4, I will remember how I got screwed by the 7.0 update. In the future I will never upgrade to a major new OS version…

One major question that I have for everyone who upgrades iOS on launch day is, "why?" Nobody upgrades non-Apple operating systems on Day 1. Sometimes people wait for an entire year to upgrade the OS, because the device is functional at the old OS and risks becoming nonfunctional with the new OS. Yet I continue to see people upgrade OS X and iOS on launch day, often with predictably regrettable results.

I make my kids upgrade their iPads first then test them thoroughly before I do my wife's iPad and iPhone.

With respect to OSX I go for a major release straight away and test it for a couple of hours. If it's broken, I'll restore the machine from Time Machine.

All the Apple users I know do roughly the same process. They're quite conservative and pick guinea pigs before they upgrade.

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