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Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by nirnira »

jameshart wrote: post #121
nirnira wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Android offers: 1) Generally much easier rooting/access to bootloader/custom ROM installation than iOS. 2) Install custom keyboards, home launchers, icon sets 3) Change default web browsers, caller, messaging apps to third-party alternatives 4) Full access to filesystem 5) Fully customisable homescreen widgets 6) Full sharing intents system 6) Generally more "computery" interface -…

I am sorry, but I read that as Android offering 1) an easy way to make your phone completely unstable and possibly break it permanently; 2 (and 5)) a variety of ways to make your already chaotic phone UX even more ugly and unusable; 3) ways for third party apps or social engineers to replace core system features with adware-infested malware (like browser toolbars on Windows).... 6, I like, though; applications provid…

I don't know, you might want to try it out before you dismiss it completely.

Rooting/installing ROMs is completely optional. It's just there if you want it, and it can be a lot of fun. You did buy a pocket computer after all - don't you want to see what it can do?

I use Swiftkey instead of Google's stock keyboard, and Firefox instead of Chrome. Both are quality apps which look great, have zero malware issues, and seriously enhance the quality of my smartphone experience. The improvement is way beyond what you can get on iOS, simply because Apple won't allow anyone to modify the core experience so deeply. And I haven't explored the offerings in full - I still use the stock caller and messaging client. I'm confident that high-quality alternatives are available.

I use simple stock widgets currently - Gmail and Google Calendar only. They look great, they're simple, and again they seriously improve my phone experience. Again, I haven't really explored widgets yet but I'm sure there are some seriously powerful, high-quality options available.

And the filesystem is only visible if you download an app for it specifically. Out of the box the file management is similar to iOS, just more powerful with the intents system. This isn't an example of Google not being able to make up their mind, they've just decided to allow people to explore that side of the system if they want.

Android is really a great system for people who like computers. All of the things which Apple decided people shouldn't be interested in doing with their pocket computers are available in some way on Android. It's very gratifying for curious people.

It's fair enough to say that all these options come with dangers. But they also come with potential! Great potential.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by gress »

nirnira wrote: post #131
gress wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More work for the user to do is a symptom of a less advanced system.

I could reply that a computer system which fails both to satisfy me with its out-of-the-box experience, and to offer any way for me to tweak that experience to my tastes, is even less advanced.

You could, but that would be a spurious argument since it could apply to anything you didn't like.

If you don't like iOS, just say so.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by ksk »

jwr wrote: post #133

> "iPhone 4 users will enjoy improved responsiveness and performance" I hear: "iPhone 4 users will be slightly less screwed over this time". I am updating as fast as I can, because frankly, nothing can be worse than the iOS 7.0 upgrade that I (regrettably) did. No matter how iOS 7.1 works on my iPhone 4, I will remember how I got screwed by the 7.0 update. In the future I will never upgrade to a major new OS version…

Yeah, I got burned with 7 too on my 4S. Luckily my iPad3 is still on 6.

Its rather annoying that Apple forces you to stay on the current version once you update especially when the newer version slows down your device at the same time.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by amartya916 »

blibble wrote: post #137
acangiano wrote: post #27

Having recently switched from an iPhone to an Android smartphone, I really question the "most advanced mobile OS" claim. Apple phones are more polished, more logically organized, easier to use, more intuitive... fair enough. But more advanced? Not by a long shot. The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane. You can argue that this is not necessarily a good thing for the average user, but you…

last year I wrote a short complaint to the UK's Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) about their use of "world's most desktop advanced operating system" to describe OS X. here are the responses I received: 1: http://imgur.com/mflFaHW 2: http://imgur.com/ndxyzlM you'll now notice that the UK page doesn't contain that false statement: compare http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/ vs. http://www.apple.com/osx/

Thanks for sharing this. Often times we let things slide w.r.t. marketing speak, but I believe it's important to call companies out on this. Did you have to make a case for "why" that claim was unsubstantiated (fairly obvious to us, but I wonder whether the ASA personnel reviewing the complain knew enough about it)?

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by nirnira »

sbuk wrote: post #44
acangiano wrote: post #27

Having recently switched from an iPhone to an Android smartphone, I really question the "most advanced mobile OS" claim. Apple phones are more polished, more logically organized, easier to use, more intuitive... fair enough. But more advanced? Not by a long shot. The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane. You can argue that this is not necessarily a good thing for the average user, but you…

"The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane." That doesn't necessarily mean it's more advanced.

Out of the box, maybe not, but if you customise it, it can be orders of magnitude more advanced.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by gress »

cheald wrote: post #127
gress wrote: post #111

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It's not disingenuous at all. What you describe is the user managing power consumption rather than the OS.

That's incorrect. The OS still does plenty of power consumption management, but it allows apps to tell it when they want the device to stay in a high-power state, because often you need that for legitimate functionality. It also allows the user to be the ultimate arbiter of power management because apps get it wrong sometimes. To conflate "doesn't impose tight restrictions on resource usage" with "doesn't do power co…

Nope. This a straw man - nobody said android "doesn't do power consumption management".

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by roc »

wlesieutre wrote: post #128
roc wrote: post #87

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iTunes Music has been horrible for this. I'll stream some music, then hit pause and walk away for a while. When I come back and hit play, most times it'll play out the buffer and then decide it has no internet connection, fixable only with a kill-relaunch. And some times it'll reboot the device altogether.

Oh that reminds me of a couple more. Tons of lag and crashes in the iTunes Store app, and tons of lag in Podcasts, along with chunks of the episodes lists showing up white when I knew there were episodes that should be there. I also had an issue where around half of my music got corrupted during a sync. It acted like everything was fine, then as soon as I tried to play a broken song it would just skip it. Which was p…

For what it's worth, I've had horrible performance in the iTunes App Store since my first day with my first iPhone. And the switch to the new store 'style', heavy on pop-ups instead of directing to distinct pages, has been worse than before.

I don't think I've ever had an acceptably performant session in the App Store, at any time of day, on any device, from any network. Even direct links to app pages from other web pages have always been slow.

So I'm not one who'd be able to notice new 'lag'. But I haven't had any crashes.

The "Other" space tends to be MMS messages. If you're not manually clearing conversations, those pictures, videos and sound files are just getting filed away forever. They really need a fix for that. If nothing else, offering a setting to automatically trim conversations to only the most recent X weeks.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by nirnira »

gress wrote: post #142
nirnira wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could reply that a computer system which fails both to satisfy me with its out-of-the-box experience, and to offer any way for me to tweak that experience to my tastes, is even less advanced.

You could, but that would be a spurious argument since it could apply to anything you didn't like. If you don't like iOS, just say so.

I don't like iOS.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by Watabou »

e1ven wrote: post #123
melling wrote: post #10

And the biggest feature of 7.1 is that within a few weeks 4 out of 5 iOS users will be running 7.1. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/01/apple-80-percent-of-act...

Given that Apple still sells an 16GB iPhone (for some baffling reason) I wonder what percentage of users will not have the necessary 4GB of unused space. Anecdotally, Several of my officemates have had this issue.

I only needed to have 1.9GB of free space on my iPhone 5.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by baddox »

selectodude wrote: post #29
acangiano wrote: post #27

Having recently switched from an iPhone to an Android smartphone, I really question the "most advanced mobile OS" claim. Apple phones are more polished, more logically organized, easier to use, more intuitive... fair enough. But more advanced? Not by a long shot. The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane. You can argue that this is not necessarily a good thing for the average user, but you…

It's a completely subjective claim. They can say whatever the hell they want.

Unless they're using the claim in countries where you're not allowed to use unsubstantiated subjective claims to describe your products.
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