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'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

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Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#31

Been there, had it nowhere near as bad as Dan did. Institutions don't look out for you. They only look out for themselves. My future children will be taught to stand up for themselves, and enrolled in martial arts if necessary. Additionally, I have no qualms about creatively getting the attention of oblivious institutions that tacitly endorse this abuse. On second thought, maybe I should just homeschool until high sc…

Don't do that, you can't just assume your kids are going to be bullied. I wasn't bullied on primary school, and primary school was one of the safest and happiest periods of my life, I still have some friends from primary school even.

There's a good chance your kid is one of the 80% of children that isn't picked on. Even better: your kid might be one of the bullies, then you get the chance to really set things right.

Also, high school might be much worse, fragile children trying to become something resembling adulthood, preparing for life decisions. What's to prepare them for that when they're homeschooled?

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#32

A powerful reminder that our society still doesn't offer adequate protection, even of their basic right to safety, to all its members.

Haunting. Probably why I'm terrified of weakness: the abuse of the 'lower' class is supported at a collective unconscious level. "At least it's not me..."

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

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post #27

The difference between then (believe me I was there) and now is that the teachers get stick for allowing this to happen instantly. I've personally got into several shouting matches with teachers over how they treat my children and deal with these situations. I'm usually in a queue of other parents doing exactly the same. People don't take any shit these days.

Now and then? This kid is 17 now. Have things really changed that much? I think it's more likely he went to a different school and his parents had a different temperament than you and your fellow parents.

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#34
post #27

The difference between then (believe me I was there) and now is that the teachers get stick for allowing this to happen instantly. I've personally got into several shouting matches with teachers over how they treat my children and deal with these situations. I'm usually in a queue of other parents doing exactly the same. People don't take any shit these days.

Now and then? This kid is 17 now. Have things really changed that much? I think it's more likely he went to a different school and his parents had a different temperament than you and your fellow parents.

Definitely have changed. There is less respect for teachers, the school system and people communicate more. This has happened because there were a hell of a lot of victims.

Also communication between parents is now at an all time high. I've seen this change in just the last two years.

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#35

Is it sad that I saw this post and immediately thought, "Well, that doesn't reflect well on programmers..", thinking that our status as a group is already quite low. * Speaking as someone who has experienced quite a fair share of bullying, such that it makes me trepidatious in most social situations, waiting and ever expecting the first arrow. ^ probably a self-fulfilling prophecy, which turns it into "my fault". if…

> Is it sad that I saw this post and immediately thought, "Well, that doesn't reflect well on programmers..", thinking that our status as a group is already quite low.

Hm, I never thought of programmer status as being that low, although as an American living in London I definitely noticed that it is lower here than in the States (especially Silicon Valley obviously). But generally programmers can bring tangible value in a way that few professions outside of sales can do, so I never felt a strong need for alpha behavior and posturing to acquire status. What is needed is to work in a company that understands how to leverage technology, and the rest should take care of itself. Programmers are in such high demand now that companies which don't know how to use them and fundamentally value them will get stuck with the bottom of the barrel, leading to a negative feedback loop.

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#36
I was bullied at grade school all the time, I was a poor, fat kid and my parents had just divorced, I was happy and optimistic, but very vulnerable. I won't go too much into the details of this, because this post is already too long. But as a result and the point of this post is that I became a bully myself.

I didn't have friends there and as a result I hanged around with the kids on my neighborhood. They were all younger than me and quite a lot of immigrants and others with not that much of a "social standing" and I could get an easy hold over them just by the power of seniority. Then, when I went to a middle school and the scenery changed, I had become an alpha male in that sense that I knew how to rule over people with fear and verbal abuse. I didn't do it consciously, it just had became a part of how I act.

Bullying is about abusing other people's weakness'. I had became a master of it. I never actually did anything myself, I just talked, other kids did stuff for me. Physical abuse like "Hey I know, let's fill your backpack with all of our books and hit that guy in the face with it!". Stealing shit from school like computer equipment, cigarettes and candy from grocery stores. There were even plans to rape certain girls. Perhaps the only time I thought I maybe had gone too far was when a "friend" of mine bought a gun to school. The way the school tried to control me was to talk to the people around me. My closest acquaintance was this huge football guy and the principal frequently took him into talks and tried to get him to stand up against me, he always came back to me to tell it and my reaction was pretty much "Haha what would you do you fucking fag?". In reality, if even one person had said anything or done anything to me, I would've completely crumbled down, because inside I was still that bullied little fat kid trying to fit in.

What I'm most ashamed is the bullying I inflicted on one kid that was born with his legs different height and as a result, he didn't walk very good. Easy target. Also, my own little sister. She was the first one in line always. We fought so much that she eventually had to move away to live with my father.

Later on in life, I found out that the kid who began the cycle of hatred, my original bully, had a very abusive big brother.

I've gone through clinical depression, severe anxiety and drug abuse at my adult life to truly find out who I am and I feel that a lot of it was residual from my childhood, as it usually is.

I'm not trying to justify anything, but if you are in that period in your life where you don't really know how life works, there's nobody to show you and the only experience that you have is dog eat dog, then that's what you become.

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#37
I went through similar stuff in the 70s and 80s, although nowhere near as extreme. Bullying is physical and psychological child abuse. The fact that it is perpetrated by other children instead of an adult makes no difference to the victim.

I will say that schools can do something about this, and some of them do. My son has been the victim of bullies on occasion, and both his primary and secondary school have been very supportive. Nipping this kind of thing in the bud makes it clear that such behaviour is not accepted. It is when it becomes part of the culture that you have a real problem.

One option is to go to the law. Child abuse is against the law, and schools have a duty of care. Hitting someone is assault regardless of where it happens or who does it, so if you are assaulted and the school does nothing then go to the police. Document incidents for a few months, take the document to the school authorities, and if they do nothing then talk to a lawyer.

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#38
I'm 33 so I was at primary school in the 80's.

Bullying was (at my school) an unfortunate reality.

My brother (year younger) was born with a congenital problem (ptosis) in both eyes which required frequent surgery (poor sod had 9 operations with weeks of recovery for each before he was 11).

This obviously made him a target for bullying and since the school was doing nothing about it I ended up stepping in to sort things out.

When I was about 8 I found my brother and a group of boys in one of the classrooms at lunch time, my brother was curled up on the floor sobbing with one boy sat on him and the rest where jeering.

I picked up a chair and waded in and I really wasn't pulling any punches.

When my mother came to pick me up from the school I was sat outside the headmasters office with the bullies.

We went into the office the headmaster started saying how my behaviour was unacceptable and that I couldn't just assault other pupils in that way.

At which point my mum interrupted "Ben isn't in the slightest violent, he's never had any issues with fighting at this school and yet he felt the need to use a chair to protect his brother, who we both know is getting bullied as you've seen fit to punish Ben I fully expect you to punish the bullies as well and if you don't you can be assured will be going to the local newspapers about the endemic bullying problem, I will also be writing to the Governors and the Local Education Authority", this was in the 80's, parents didn't complain then like that.

I was out of school for 3 days, my mum took me to the bookshop and said I could pick any three books I wanted.

My brother didn't get bullied again til secondary school and he dealt with that himself.

I learnt a very valuable lesson that day - stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves and fuck the consequences (I also learnt that my mum was a badass).

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#39
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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having been a programmer in tech companies in the UK for a long time I agree about the low status, but I've only rarely encountered bad behavior by managers (mistakes and bad decisions, yes. Bullying not so much). My experience is that in this sort of job the pay is at least liveable and the working conditions are typically good. This is however entirely anecdotal and it's quite possible that I just got lucky and am…

Bullying is rife in the UK tech industry. If you put up a wall people will respect it and keep away but if you don't, it's open season. There's also a nasty class divide between permanent and contract staff. I'm the latter and much resentment is felt even though the former could be the latter with a little effort and reap the benefits.

Having been a contractor for several years now, I have to admit I've never seen any sort of bullying. I've never been treated like anything less than a bona fide member of the team. To be honest, I've never seen any sort of bullying. Maybe I just don't know it when I see it ...

(currently on my fifth placement, in London, at a mix of small and international companies)

Re: 'I was bullied and beaten every day. Programming saved my life'

#40
post #27

The difference between then (believe me I was there) and now is that the teachers get stick for allowing this to happen instantly. I've personally got into several shouting matches with teachers over how they treat my children and deal with these situations. I'm usually in a queue of other parents doing exactly the same. People don't take any shit these days.

Now and then? This kid is 17 now. Have things really changed that much? I think it's more likely he went to a different school and his parents had a different temperament than you and your fellow parents.

I think the 17 in the article is a typo for 27. He picked up programming in his teenage years, and the article mentions a "10 years later". Also, it'd be extremely surprising (possible, but surprising) that a 17 year old would have "won awards and travelled all around the country to meet people and attend or speak at conferences."
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